Boots of Striding and Springing: Whats the rules on it?

[Mordeth]

Quote - "Note that the monk's fast movement ability becomes supernatural at 9th level. Once that occurs, the monk's fast movement no longer stacks with the boots of striding and springing . A 9th level human monk for example, has a movement speed of 60. If wearing boots of striding and springing , the monks speed is 100. (This is twice the 50 foot speed the monk would have at 8th level, which is the fastest nonsupernatural speed the monk can achieve).

So this just applies to monks then? And not barbarians because theirs is EX?

 

[hammymchamham]

I believe a Barbarian's Fast Movement is [Ex], so as long as there's nothing supernatural about the Ghaele's speed, then 120' sounds right.

-Hyp.

Thanks Hyp! Grrr, *if* my Ghaele goes Epic, I don't know wether to go Barbarian or Fighter. Thanks A LOT for making the choice harder

 

[Felix]

Sorry, I hate to take the wind out of your sails here dude, but its covered "officially" in the FAQ on the WOTC site.

A lot of folks have had problems with the rulings the FAQ has made in the past while; this is one ruling that Artoomis doesn't like, official or not. Officially, Harm doesn't allow a saving throw. Does that make people who want to see it changed in 3.5 "in a word... wrong"?

 

[hammymchamham]

A lot of folks have had problems with the rulings the FAQ has made in the past while; this is one ruling that Artoomis doesn't like, official or not. Officially, Harm doesn't allow a saving throw. Does that make people who want to see it changed in 3.5 "in a word... wrong"?

Hi, welcome to the rules forum. Perhaps you're looking for this forum?

 

[hong]

Hi, welcome to the rules forum. Perhaps you're looking for this forum?

Saying that the Sage is full of it is perfect on-topic for the Rules forum.

 

[hammymchamham]

Saying that the Sage is full of it is perfect on-topic for the Rules forum.

Hahhaah, perhaps. But isn't it whats official? And to deviat from that course is to invoke rule 0? Not that their is anything wrong with using rule 0. I have used it plenty of times. If I want to talk about that, I'd go to the rules forum. But the question is, what do the rules say about the Boots. And thats what the rules say. A monks speed beyone 50 is supernatural, and does not stack with boots of striding and springing. The not stacking is not a rules tack on, but an explanation of the rules. If you want them to stack, by all means rule 0 it. I can't (and don't want to) stop you. Nor can the sage. Thats the beuty of rule 0 (and house rules).

 

[Artoomis]

Actually, if you go to the FAQ portion of the WOTC site it covers this with regards to monks. It is on page 14 of the D&D FAQ sheet at the top of the second column.

Quote - "Note that the monk's fast movement ability becomes supernatural at 9th level. Once that occurs, the monk's fast movement no longer stacks with the boots of striding and springing . A 9th level human monk for example, has a movement speed of 60. If wearing boots of striding and springing , the monks speed is 100. (This is twice the 50 foot speed the monk would have at 8th level, which is the fastest nonsupernatural speed the monk can achieve).

Sorry, I hate to take the wind out of your sails here dude, but its covered "officially" in the FAQ on the WOTC site. Therefore your rather abrupt statement of - "It doubles your movement. Period is in a word....wrong period.

No wind has left my sails.

I have issues with the FAQ when it actually changes, rather than clarifies rules. There is no errata on this, so, as far as I am concerned, the rules as written stand here.

If 3e 3.5 actually changes this, fine, then I'll consider truly "official." I don't consider rule changes, as opposed to clarifications, in the FAQ to be "official." That's what errata is for.

The boots double movement per the rules as written. Period. No nonsense about supernatural movement not doubling.

I don't even want to hint that such a ruling is not reasonable - in this forum I generally only address what the rules are as written.

 

[Artoomis]

Hahhaah, perhaps. But isn't it whats official? And to deviat from that course is to invoke rule 0? Not that their is anything wrong with using rule 0. I have used it plenty of times. If I want to talk about that, I'd go to the rules forum. But the question is, what do the rules say about the Boots. And thats what the rules say. A monks speed beyone 50 is supernatural, and does not stack with boots of striding and springing. The not stacking is not a rules tack on, but an explanation of the rules. If you want them to stack, by all means rule 0 it. I can't (and don't want to) stop you. Nor can the sage. Thats the beuty of rule 0 (and house rules).

At one point WotC published the methodology for rule changes and clarifications.

Rules changes were to be "official" in errata only.

Rule clarifications were to be published in the FAQ.

Thus the dissussion of whether the sage's opinion in the FAQ is "offical" or not is perfectly valid within the confines of this forum.

 

[hammymchamham]

At one point WotC published the methodology for rule changes and clarifications.

Rules changes were to be "official" in errata only.

Rule clarifications were to be published in the FAQ.

Thus the dissussion of whether the sage's opinion in the FAQ is "offical" or not is perfectly valid within the confines of this forum.

Yes, but the rules say:

Boots of Striding and Springing
The wearer of these boots moves at double his or her normal speed. In addition to this striding ability, these boots allow the wearer to make great leaps. The wearer can jump with a +10 competence bonus to Jump checks, and the wearer’s jumping distance is not limited by his or her height.
Caster Level: 3rd; Prerequisites: Craft Wondrous Item, expeditious retreat, jump; Market Price: 6,000 gp; Weight: 1 lb.

Supernatural is not normal speed. Its all in the rules, and its not the sages opinion.

 

[RigaMortus]

So if a creature has wings, would it double their flying speed too?