Buffy 24 Feb 03

[Chun-tzu]

She's the "leader" because she's pushy, and they're meek.

Kennedy is also (from what we know) the oldest, and one of the first recruited. In a group of teens, being the oldest counts for something (not everything, but it's pretty significant).

I'm still waiting for Dawn to be called as a slayer. When she saw her mother's "ghost" (debateable that it was the First), she said "She won't won't choose you." What's funny is Buffy shouldn't even get the choice!

I think "Joyce" said something like, "Don't trust her," referring to Buffy. I'm pretty sure she said nothing about choosing.

As was also mentioned though, if the slayer's power is from a demon, and it passes to the next one, shouldn't Buffy just be powerless at this point?

It's left unclear as to exactly how it was done. Some seem to think it had to do with the Slayer becoming almost possessed by a demon. Another way to see it is that the Slayer's body was flooded with some kind of demonic essence (like applying a Demonic template, in 3E terms).

 

[Wolv0rine]

What *I* want to know is.. if the Slayer's power is from a demon... what kind of demon was this? I mean Buffy goes against demons all the time, and seems to be generally stronger and tougher then they are. So are we to assume that the Slayer get's her power from the strongest demon there ever was? Or has she just been lucky not to encounter a demon that's just head-and-shoulders tougher then the demon she gets her power from?

 

[myrdden]

I think "Joyce" said something like, "Don't trust her," referring to Buffy. I'm pretty sure she said nothing about choosing.

I seem to recall that Joyce did say something along the lines of "She won't choose you". I interpretted it as indicating that Buffy will be forced to choose between Dawn and some significant other thing, and she will pick the other thing. That was then though...now I just can't remember.

It's left unclear as to exactly how it was done. Some seem to think it had to do with the Slayer becoming almost possessed by a demon. Another way to see it is that the Slayer's body was flooded with some kind of demonic essence (like applying a Demonic template, in 3E terms).

Y'know I was a bit dissapointed by that. I had imagined that the Slayer line was introduced by the Powers to combat evil in the world. Everything seems to come back to evil and demons...where's the good in the world to maintain balance? Or maybe that's the point - humanity is the balance?

Nah...doesn't seem right.

Myrdden

 

[Chun-tzu]

What *I* want to know is.. if the Slayer's power is from a demon... what kind of demon was this? I mean Buffy goes against demons all the time, and seems to be generally stronger and tougher then they are. So are we to assume that the Slayer get's her power from the strongest demon there ever was? Or has she just been lucky not to encounter a demon that's just head-and-shoulders tougher then the demon she gets her power from?

Good question. I can't answer it, but I do remember that in season 3, the Mayor's ascension plan meant turning him into a demon. The Scooby gang said, "So what? Buffy fights demons all the time" and Anya replied that the demons Buffy flights are halfbreeds, like vampires, and that they'd never seen a true demon.

And isn't the big bad enforcer thing in Angel a demon? It seems far stronger than Buffy or Angel.

 

[Sulimo]

Re: Re: Re: Buffy 24 Feb 03

Yes, the current Angel season has been better than the current Buffy season. But comparing season 7 of a show to season 4 of a show isn't quite apples to apples. Not that anyone is really doing that but I figured I'd mention it.

Hmm...I'm really enjoying this season. So far, I'd say it's probably my fave season since the third.

I havent watched Angel this season though.

As for the last episode I really liked it. Nice to see Andrew being more than comic relief...and I really liked seeing prior events retold by Andrew.

 

[Chun-tzu]

I just recalled that I still had a copy of "Conversations with Dead People."

Joyce: Things are coming, Dawn. Listen, things are on their way.
I love you, and I love Buffy. But she won't be there for you.

Dawn: What? Why are you...?

Joyce: When it's bad, Buffy won't choose you. She'll be against you.


So, she did say "choose," but it's still pretty unclear what Joyce was referring to (and how trustworthy it is). How and why would Buffy be against Dawn? What would the First (if this was the First) know about this? Is this possibly part of it's plan?

 

[John Crichton]

Kennedy is also (from what we know) the oldest, and one of the first recruited. In a group of teens, being the oldest counts for something (not everything, but it's pretty significant).

Agreed.

I think "Joyce" said something like, "Don't trust her," referring to Buffy. I'm pretty sure she said nothing about choosing.

"Joyce" said that when the time comes, Buffy will not choose her (Dawn). Now I have no clue as to what this choice will be. I'd like to think that Joss has more up his sleeve than what we have all speculated so far.

It's left unclear as to exactly how it was done. Some seem to think it had to do with the Slayer becoming almost possessed by a demon. Another way to see it is that the Slayer's body was flooded with some kind of demonic essence (like applying a Demonic template, in 3E terms).

That's not a bad analogy, actually. Considering what we have been shown so far there is alot of darkness being thrown around. However, something doesn't seem right about the Slayer Mythos so far. There is a key element that we haven't been shown and probably shouldn't be. Some secrets are best left alone lest they loose their entertainment value.

I'd like to think that there is some kind of "Pool of Good" that the slayers pull from that is simply enhanced by what is referred to in the show as demonic. The whole demon thing is slightly scewed as well because there are many "demons" in the Buffyverse that aren't evil at all (Doyle, Clem, Whistler? Cordy?). I'm interested to see how it all pans out. Besides, wouldn't Spike's chip have allowed him to pound on Buffy the entire time if she had some demon in her?

These are the things I think of when the lights go out...

 

[John Crichton]

I just recalled that I still had a copy of "Conversations with Dead People."

Joyce: Things are coming, Dawn. Listen, things are on their way.
I love you, and I love Buffy. But she won't be there for you.

Dawn: What? Why are you...?

Joyce: When it's bad, Buffy won't choose you. She'll be against you.


So, she did say "choose," but it's still pretty unclear what Joyce was referring to (and how trustworthy it is). How and why would Buffy be against Dawn? What would the First (if this was the First) know about this? Is this possibly part of it's plan?

Ah, good that you had a copy. That clears things up.

I'm really interested to see where Dawn fits in with all this. She has been underused this entire season.

 

[Sulimo]

I enjoyed this episode, but am really ready for this storyline to get moving. It has been many many episodes since they really did anything to fight the first. The scene with Buffy and Andrew was excellent and I have to agree Andrew was well portrayed.

Umm...what was closing the seal then, if not an acting in fighting the first?

 

[Mark CMG]

So am I the only one who thinks that "The First" is "The First Slayer"?