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Cage Match: Conan vs Tarzan TO THE DEATH!
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from aboveAnkh-Morpork Guard said:Ahhh, but how does one ambush in a Cage Match?
Knightfall
World of Kulan DM
JimAde said:Actually I think they'd probably join forces, destroy all the ape-men and tigers, then hunt down whoever put them in the cage kick their sorry behinds.
That would be an awsome story. They would start out as unintentional enemies, gain a respect for each other through trials of strength and endurance, and then join forces to kick the bad guys butts all across the jungle.
However, I had to vote for Conan.
KF72
Howard thought of Conan as the ultimate example of a human tapping into the power of barbarism and one-ness with the savage, an intuitive megahero. Burroughs writes Tarzan as the ultimate expression of human intellect wed to that same power of barbarism. Tarzan seems better equipped and more versatile here, so I went with him. I do agree he'd be much better off in the largest "cage" possible.
Eloi
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Armed with swords, Conan could force a tie. Barely.
Bare-handed, Tarzan has three options: Let Conan live (unconscious), force Conan to submit, or kill Conan. Conan just can't get Tarzan into a position where Conan's marginally superior strength can be the decisive factor - Tarzan is nimbler, more savage, and has decades of experience killing foes that are stronger, but not so wily as Tarzan. Conan had better hope for mercy from Tarzan.
Another way to put the difference: If Predators landed and hunted Conan, Conan would win, after convincing his chosen foe he was dead and then pullling off a deadly sneak attack.. and the remaining Predator team would appear, salute, enter their ship, and they'd take off. If the Predators tried that with Tarzan, both surviving Predators would flee Earth, leaking fluids - and then discover Tarzan was on their ship with them.
Yet another way: Conan would be an old school, hardcore Fighter, with plenty of Barbarian. Yet he faces a nightmare: an old school Grandmaster of Flowers dual-classed to Barbarian, and full of old-school buttkicking goodness. Tarzan has killed apes, tigers, lions, giant snakes, Nazis, duellists, and dinosaurs with his bare hands before. Conan has killed his share, but not for as many years (immortality does matter).
Draka wish they could grow up to be like Tarzan.
Bare-handed, Tarzan has three options: Let Conan live (unconscious), force Conan to submit, or kill Conan. Conan just can't get Tarzan into a position where Conan's marginally superior strength can be the decisive factor - Tarzan is nimbler, more savage, and has decades of experience killing foes that are stronger, but not so wily as Tarzan. Conan had better hope for mercy from Tarzan.
Another way to put the difference: If Predators landed and hunted Conan, Conan would win, after convincing his chosen foe he was dead and then pullling off a deadly sneak attack.. and the remaining Predator team would appear, salute, enter their ship, and they'd take off. If the Predators tried that with Tarzan, both surviving Predators would flee Earth, leaking fluids - and then discover Tarzan was on their ship with them.
Yet another way: Conan would be an old school, hardcore Fighter, with plenty of Barbarian. Yet he faces a nightmare: an old school Grandmaster of Flowers dual-classed to Barbarian, and full of old-school buttkicking goodness. Tarzan has killed apes, tigers, lions, giant snakes, Nazis, duellists, and dinosaurs with his bare hands before. Conan has killed his share, but not for as many years (immortality does matter).
Draka wish they could grow up to be like Tarzan.
lissilambe
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I'm not sure I could pick one or the other. It's really such a subjective thing. I'd lean towards Tarzan, I guess, but both sides have their points.
I respond to the email about the pulp story that was referred to. I believe the person was talking about "A Feast Unknown", by Phliip Jose Farmer, in which homages to Tarzan and Doc Savage are brought into battle with each other by a mysterious guding council to determine who should get immortality. It's a good read, but it's also very, very brutal, blunt and written with homoerotic elements galore.
Don
I respond to the email about the pulp story that was referred to. I believe the person was talking about "A Feast Unknown", by Phliip Jose Farmer, in which homages to Tarzan and Doc Savage are brought into battle with each other by a mysterious guding council to determine who should get immortality. It's a good read, but it's also very, very brutal, blunt and written with homoerotic elements galore.
Don
Desdichado
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Oh, that book. Yes, well, I'd recommend staying away from any Philip José Farmer Tarzan stories. That one, with two muscular and nearly nude male characters grappling and telling each other to submit all the time, barely scratches the surface. PJF made himself famous writing fantasy pornography. Lord Tyger as a super-sexual Tarzan is, frankly, kinda strange.
I'm a huge fan of both characters, so that's a tough one. I'd have to know the conditions, weapons/armor allowed, and whatnot. It's my opinion that Tarzan probably not as physically strong as Conan, since Conan's typical day involves hauling around several pounds of steel and Tarzan's involves hunting, swinging through the trees, and running. His weapons are light and he only fights when he has to. So, I'm thinking Tarzan looks a lot like a tri-athelete with slightly more bulk, and Conan looks more like a body-builder.
I think with a no-weapon cage match, Tarzan has the edge due to his nimbleness. He can stay out of Conan's reach and lock him in one of those crazy wrestling moves he's always using on lions and whatnot. With a single weapon, I'd say they were pretty evenly matched. Full regalia, I'd give the edge to Conan due mostly to his armor.
OH and stop stop stop saying that Tarzan kills tigers (unless you're talking sabre-tooth tigers)! Wrong continent. Even ERB wasn't THAT bad.
I think with a no-weapon cage match, Tarzan has the edge due to his nimbleness. He can stay out of Conan's reach and lock him in one of those crazy wrestling moves he's always using on lions and whatnot. With a single weapon, I'd say they were pretty evenly matched. Full regalia, I'd give the edge to Conan due mostly to his armor.
OH and stop stop stop saying that Tarzan kills tigers (unless you're talking sabre-tooth tigers)! Wrong continent. Even ERB wasn't THAT bad.
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