Call of Cthulhu d20 Preservation Society

[Turanil]

but then again this is Chaosium we are talking about, whose decisions typically mirror their name (recently, they've denigrated d20 CoC on their own site).

LOL! Chaosium has lost their sanity it seems!

Anyway, not sure they would have made a better business in converting to d20 (d20 third party publishers do not necessarily make fortune). Then, as for the problem of doing dual-stat products, this is a false problem: either you do a full fluff product with stats-only documents available for free on the internet (or maybe sold as small printed 2$. add-on); or you print one set of stats in the book (for the version with the more selling potential) and provides conversions for free on the Internet.

As for now, d20 Call of Cthulhu is still available on amazon.com it seems.

 

[thud13x]

I do not play d20 CoC but is was the first non-D&D d20 book I bought. I also have the BRP book, but also have not played it. If I could only play them!!!!

ARGHH!! (Gutteral scream of frustration)

 

[Desdichado]

As for now, d20 Call of Cthulhu is still available on amazon.com it seems.

At half its original price, no less. I'm tempted to pick up a backup copy.

They put out some great products, but so infrequently i wonder how they even stay in business.

Even then, their products pale in comparison to the Cthulhu products by Pagan Publishing. John Tynes is Da Man. It's no accident that WotC recruited him to write the "soft" aspects of this book instead of one of the Chaosium guys, I'd imagine.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Delta Green is indeed, the single best thing to happen to Call of Cthulhu. Don't get me wrong, a lot of Pagan Publishing's work, like the Golden Order, were great, but Delta Green... man, it still rocks on toast.

 

[TerraDave]

Delta Green is indeed, the single best thing to happen to Call of Cthulhu. Don't get me wrong, a lot of Pagan Publishing's work, like the Golden Order, were great, but Delta Green... man, it still rocks on toast.

But this returns to the question of why Chaosium couldn't license out d20 CoC (and still satisfy their hardcore fanbase with their own stuff).

I do remember seeing some kind of megamodule for CoC d20 from somebody not Chaosium, and d20 delta green has been promissed for a while, but it still seems like a big, wasted oppertunity

 

[JoeGKushner]

But this returns to the question of why Chaosium couldn't license out d20 CoC (and still satisfy their hardcore fanbase with their own stuff).

I do remember seeing some kind of megamodule for CoC d20 from somebody not Chaosium, and d20 delta green has been promissed for a while, but it still seems like a big, wasted oppertunity

It doesn't bring the question up to me.

I think that they're just poor business people without common sense.

Turn our whole library into PDF files for the audience?

Turn pet projects into PDF files instead of hand bound spiral bound books that cost as much as a full color hardback?

License out the CoC game at a reasonable price with good terms (Pagan noted several times that they could only do X amount of books per year.)

License out Elric or the Eternal Champion to a 3rd party and actually get it supported?

Stop claimin that the card crash from 15 years ago crippled us?

Stop claiming that we're just a mom and pop shop that are doing the best we can?

Yeah, they suck.

 

[Committed Hero]

But this returns to the question of why Chaosium couldn't license out d20 CoC (and still satisfy their hardcore fanbase with their own stuff).

They do license out stuff, but from what I understand the fees are absurdly high. At least, that's what DG co-author Dennis Detwiller said keeps him from releasing the following - already written - DG material (his words in an April 2004 rpg.bet thread):

"1) A DG campaign (about 67,000 words worth)
2) A novel that's a sequel to Rules of Engagement
3) A copy of "The Kitchen Sink" the complete debriefing from the Roswell incident.
4) A new chapbook: Black Cod Island, a look at a Haida Indian Deep One cult in Alaska."

I don't know if Denied to the Enemy is #2, but I want the other things like heroin.

As to satisfying hardcore fans, if ten times the number of hardcore fans start buying CoC things, why should Chaosium care about a grumpy minority? Any true fan would just be happy to get new books.....

 

[Turanil]

After Western End Games (Star Wars d6) died, WotC bought the right to produce d20 SW. Let Chaosium disappear from bad business decisions, and then WotC (or someone else) buy the license and do stuff for CoC d20.

 

[Gomez]

Now what does Chaosium have the rights to exactly? Is Cthulhu, Deep Ones, and all the rest their property? I thought Lovecraft's work was Public Domain stuff. I remember reading something that Dennis Detwiller said that Chaosium only had the rights to the BRP system.

 

[Committed Hero]

Now what does Chaosium have the rights to exactly? Is Cthulhu, Deep Ones, and all the rest their property? I thought Lovecraft's work was Public Domain stuff. I remember reading something that Dennis Detwiller said that Chaosium only had the rights to the BRP system.

I would be inclined to agree, but it's not cost effective for anyone to litigate this issue (or risk litigation by just publishing the stuff).