Can a monk take Improved Natural Attack?: The Poll!

[Plane Sailing]

[ Moderator hat on ]

Scion (and others), no more rebuttles of other peoples position in this thread please, whether over peoples interpretation of the rules or the linguistic skills they use to express their opinion

The reason I say this is that rebuttles of any sort typically grow into a back-and-forth between a couple of people with others joining in for good measure and the thread gets hijacked.

The original poll was started with a very clear request that people simply give reasons why they are choosing one position over another.

Discussions on this issue belong in the other thread. Not in here please.

Many thanks,

 

[Dimwhit]

Absolutely, yes they can. It's in the RAW and was confirmed by the Sage.

 

[Scion]

Edit: I'll just pm instead.

 

[Infiniti2000]

So far, over 3 to 1 in favor, and the Sage is onboard too. So what do we win?

Of course it's 3 to 1 in favor, the way the question was worded. It should be 0 for No. I answered No 'cause I knew the purpose of the question was for human monks, but as written, the answer is clearly Yes. Why? Because a lizardman monk can take INA, and the question is not limited to humans. So, quite frankly, the poll is not useful.

 

[Dimwhit]

Of course it's 3 to 1 in favor, the way the question was worded. It should be 0 for No. I answered No 'cause I knew the purpose of the question was for human monks, but as written, the answer is clearly Yes. Why? Because a lizardman monk can take INA, and the question is not limited to humans. So, quite frankly, the poll is not useful.

I'll bet you anything that if you do a knew poll and asked if people were assuming a human monk, more than 90% would say they were.

 

[Aaron L]

After reading all of the thread, the arguments saying that it isnt possible all seem like some pretty hefty semantic acrobatics to me.

 

[TheEvil]

As far as wording goes for this poll, I think I would have gone with the following: "For the purpose of meeting prerequisites, do monks count as having natural weapons?"

Well see, you didn't say human. *sigh*

 

[TheEvil]

Of course it's 3 to 1 in favor, the way the question was worded. It should be 0 for No. I answered No 'cause I knew the purpose of the question was for human monks, but as written, the answer is clearly Yes. Why? Because a lizardman monk can take INA, and the question is not limited to humans. So, quite frankly, the poll is not useful.

*sigh*

 

[Firebird]

Tough One

I had to vote no because a monks unarmed strikes are not natural weapons as required by the feat. This would hold true even if the monk were of some non-standard race and possessed a natural attack (slam, claw, bite, etc.) of some kind. They could increase that attack with this feat but not their monk unarmed strike since that attack form is a product of intense training only and not granted naturally by virtue of species.

 

[ForceUser]

I voted yes. One, it's the RAW. Two, it doesn't break the monk and it doesn't make the monk a fighter. Turns out that even with allowing monks this feat, fighters are still the best fighters.