frankthedm said:
Where do you find this precedence?
Things that are undead and things that are constructs are creatures under the rules. Both of these creature types have no Con score. Therefore, something can be a creature without having a Con score.
The phantom steed is a creature. It has HP. It has AC. It is listed as being horse like.
No debate, we both agree on this.
It does not have any immunties listed which normally are listed when a creature has them {which are part and parcel of having no con score].
It also lists where it specifically is different, ie: with regards to no attacking, specific weight limits and such.
The spell does not have an [Evil] descriptor so it is not undead. It does not have the bonus HP a construct would have. To me that points the arrow to living or a close aproximation there of. If it is living that means it gets the default Con score. 1.
Never claimed it was undead, undead was brought forth to counter your point that because it is a creature, it must have a Con score.
Bonus hp is irrelevant as it doesn't necessarly follow all the rules for the construct type. Or, it could be argued (but I won't) that the hp from the caster level are bonus hp.
I have never claimed it is entirely a construct. It certainly would appear to be similar in many ways to construct, but the rules don't go as far as to say it is. Constructs however, do show that creatures can exist without needing a Con score.
To you it may point the arrow to a living thing, but as a
quasi-real thing, I think it is more a horse-looking-like construct-like than a living creature.
Also, it is a creature (the spell description says so), but is given no Chr, or Wis. It doesn't need them because its whole purpose is to be a mount, so much so that it can't even fight. You don't need to know its Wisdom modifer, because it'll never make spot checks: it's not really alive. Same as you don't need to know it's Con score since it's not really alive, and thus can't get fatigued.
