Can a samurai do....

[bigdndfan]

.....a feint during combat? A feint is classified under Bluff, and they can't Bluff. But a feint isn't a typical Bluff. There is no decit like a typical Bluff (i.e. a lie)

The feinted person does a Spot check, not the typical Sense Motive.

What does everyone think?

I don't think feinting is a problem. Samurai marial arts uses distractions as a part of their moves.

 

[hong]

Yes, samurai (and anyone, for that matter) can feint during combat. Since they don't have Bluff as a class skill, though, chances are they won't be very good at it.

They can also bluff all they want out of combat. It just depends on who they're trying to bluff, and why they're doing it.

 

[bigdndfan]

Yes, samurai (and anyone, for that matter) can feint during combat. Since they don't have Bluff as a class skill, though, chances are they won't be very good at it.

They can also bluff all they want out of combat. It just depends on who they're trying to bluff, and why they're doing it.

Huh, thanks for the fast reply.

Where are you getting this info? Its states quite clearly that Bluff is classified as Low, and a samurai would loose their honor.

In Japanse society in general, not telling the full truth to maintain face, the status quo, the company's reputation etc,... is allowed, but straight up lying??

But I digress, what about OA D&D rules?? What is your argument with the rules?

Thanks.

 

[Magus_Jerel]

.....a feint during combat? A feint is classified under Bluff, and they can't Bluff.

You mean they can't ever make a bluff check? Just because you don't have an untrained skillon your class list does not mean that you can't use that skill at all... just means you have "ranks = 0" when calculating the skill bonus

 

[bigdndfan]

No I mean the rules say that any low skill like making leather products, or moving silently, or profession: assassin would dishonor a samurai if he used them.

 

[hong]

Where are you getting this info? Its states quite clearly that Bluff is classified as Low, and a samurai would loose their honor.

Hm, didn't see that bit.

I think the rationale for using Bluff in combat isn't to represent regular feints or misdirections; it's stuff like yelling "hey, look at THAT!" while pointing behind the other guy, and then whacking him. This could be construed to be dishonourable where samurai are concerned. All the usual stuff like faking to move one way and then going the other is covered by your regular combat skill, ie, your Base Attack Bonus.

Also, in 3E just because something goes against your alignment or class restrictions doesn't mean you can't do it. It just means that if you do it (especially on a regular basis), your alignment changes, or your class abilities go away. So a samurai could bluff if necessary (ie, make Bluff skill checks to mislead people). However, if he did it a lot, and especially if he did it to honourable people, he'd eventually lose his samurai abilities and have to atone.

In Japanse society in general, not telling the full truth to maintain face, the status quo, the company's reputation etc,... is allowed, but straight up lying??

I'm pretty sure that lying is considered to be just as bad in Japan as in the west.