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Can I sustain a power without line of sight to its effect?

I'm AFB, but I would be very surprised if sustaining a power did not in some way come under "using" that power and that in turn "using" the power did not require LoE to either the power or the target...

Because 'using a power' is something specific--- that's the act that expends and fires off the power. Sustaining a power is a different action, otherwise, you'd also have to spend a standard action (because using a power expends the action type it mentions), you'd have to have the expend the power (because using a power expends it if it is not at-will), and so on and so forth.

The two are not synonymous for a reason.
 

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If it's specific, then citation please? I didn't think 'using a power' was so well-defined. Similar to others, I'm also at work, and therefore AFB.

Does it go into explicit detail about how the 'Use a Power' action is a different and distinct thing from sustaining a power? No.

It also doesn't describe how it's a different game concept than the Walk action, shifting, dealing damage, conditions, or what a d20 is, but that stuff is pretty common sense too.

Sustaining is spending a specific action to extend the duration of a power. Using a power is activating a power. Apples and oranges, and it's obvious as to why.

Durations of effects do not cease when someone leaves Line of Sight (which isn't necessary for the effect to be applied to begin with). Therefore, it does not affect powers with sustained durations, any more than it affects powers with (save ends), until end of encounter, or any other duration. Using a power, on the other hand, follows the rules for using a power, starting with page 1, and ending on page 300 and something.

Don't mind if I don't bother to quote that when 'they are obviously not the same rules concept' applies so much nicer.

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But, here's some ad absurdum anyways:


Action Type
The next line of a power description begins with what type of action you have to take when you use the power.


This is in the context of 'how to read a power.' That's the 'Standard Action' part that's before the range of the power. If sustaining a power were using a power, then by -this- bit of rules text, you'd have to spend this action to sustain the power. Which is silly given that you're already spending a different action.

Sustain

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If a power has a “Sustain” entry, you can keep that power active by taking a specified type of action (minor, move, or standard) during your turn. The “Sustain” entry tells you if a power has an effect that occurs when you take the action to sustain it. See “Durations,” page 278, for more about sustaining a power.


Do note here, that 'Sustain' mentions nothing about it using the power, it only says 'keep that power active.'

And lastly, some obviousness:


Attack Powers and Utility Powers

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You can use at-will powers as often as you choose. You can use encounter powers many times during a day of adventuring, but you have to rest a few minutes between each use, so you can use them each once per encounter. Daily powers are so dramatic and powerful that you can use each one only once a day.


If sustaining a power were considered using it, than by using the encounter power, you've used up the number of times you're allowed to use that encounter power. That means when it's time to sustain it, you cannot 'use' that power, which means you cannot sustain it.

Therefore, the only powers available you'd be able to sustain would be at-will powers.

How many at-will powers have sustain? How many encounter/daily powers have sustain?

Therefore, you cannot be using sustain powers, because otherwise, the rules would not work.
 
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I point you towards PHB page 59 the section on conjurations:

If a power allows you to move a conjuration, at least 1 square that the conjuration occupies must remain within int he power's range. If you move far enough away from a conjuration that it is no longer in range, its effect immediately ends.

It doesn't say anything about LOS or LOE being required. As a DM if the door closes I don't think I'd let you move the conjuration around until you had LOS on it again though. Otherwise how do you know where you're moving it?
 


I don't think I'd let you move the conjuration around until you had LOS on it again though. Otherwise how do you know where you're moving it?

[tongue planted firmly in cheek]The same way characters who are blinded or in total darkness can move with unerring accuracy despite being completely unable to see their surroundings.[/tongue planted firmly in cheek]
 

There are a few limitations on sustaining powers. For one thing unless otherwise noted powers have a duration of 5 minutes. Also see the text on the bottom of page 278 of the PHB "Unless a description says otherwise, you can sustain a power with a sustained duration for as long as 5 minutes. However, you can't rest while sustaining a power..."

It is true, there are no rules requiring a non-movable zone to be in LoE nor is there a range requirement for sustaining a non-movable zone. Movable conjurations and zones both DO require LoE however and one square of the zone/conjuration must be within range at the end of your turn. Thus you actually cannot close the door on your Stinking Cloud, but you COULD close the door on your Wall of Ice.

I think this is all intentional. The reasoning is that you can't just roll a zone around willy-nilly for 5 minutes. If you create a static spell effect however it will last that long if you continue to sustain it. You can wall off a corridor with a Wall of Ice and walk away. Remember, creatures generally won't have a need to go near such an effect and be threatened by it. With a movable effect it would still represent a hazard.
 

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