can we rethink the VIIIth amendment to the constitution?

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Femerus the Gnecro said:
...Stannis' hammer of retribution.

-F

sounds like a magic weapon to me......+1 normal, +5 smiting hammer vs child killers.

and umbran, yeah i feel passionate about it. bad form...i don't know. doesn't seem like anyone is too hurt. certainly no flames. if anything, i'd expect alot of people to feel as i do. the day people stop feeling like that is the day our society is in REAL trouble.
 

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Numion said:


Um, because that would make us no better than that dude? Isn't that a no-brainer?

nope. not a no brainer. are we no better than the 9/11 terrorists because we've used violence to break up their network?

of all the counterarguments, that's the one i can't abide.
 

Tiberius said:
While we're on the topic of executions, I have a question. Given the existance of spells like Raise Dead and Resurrection, how do you folks handle the executions of powerful lawbreakers (e.g. crime lords, etc.)? What steps do you have your NPCs take to ensure that they don't come back?


Shameless plug: In the upcoming Cities:Born In Stone book from Otherworld, I added some spells to the Law domain which make it harder to undo the effects of maiming or execution when such was lawfully inflicted. It's not impossible, but it is harder...
 

Moderator anywhere?

Bad Bad Topic, you don't belong here, Out Out you know better than that...
 

Seriously, why on earth did this topic not warrant at least an "OT" next to the title?

This thread discusses such things as abortion, the advisability of the death penalty, the process of amending the US Constitution, crime control, and the war in Afganistan. COULD THIS BE ANY MORE OFF TOPIC? If you want politics, go here:

http://pub63.ezboard.com/fgroundzerointheculturalwarfrm1
 

There is a difference between one's personal, emotional desire for revenge and a community's responsibility toward maintaining a civilized and just society.

As a parent, if one of my children were to be a victim of such a horrible crime, I'd want to exact all sorts of brutal vengeance upon the perpetrator. Even as an individual, I feel incredibly strong outrage at the actions of these subhuman monsters.

However, we as a society must always strive to execute those whose crimes justify such penalty in the most painless, efficient means possible. Otherwise, what is supposed to be an expression of justice becomes a spectacle. As a people, we should advance in cultural and social thinking, rather than regress to earlier, more barbaric habits.

To answer an earlier question of how I handle in-game executions in the face of raise dead spells. My campaign has a death-god who must be bargained with (usually through the proxy of the death-god's priests, but if you're high enough level...) which means that if the executed isn't really worth anyone's time to bargain for, or if the death-god thinks the newly dispatched soul makes a good trophy for the infernal mantlepiece, then ressurection becomes a moot issue. However, if the death-god feels the condemned was doing a fine job of advancing Death and Evil in the world... well, that's one of the issues one must deal with living in a world where the death-god is Neutral Evil.
 

Lizard said:


Shameless plug: In the upcoming Cities:Born In Stone book from Otherworld, I added some spells to the Law domain which make it harder to undo the effects of maiming or execution when such was lawfully inflicted. It's not impossible, but it is harder...

Really? Cool! I'll have to take a look at that. I've been wrangling with this question ever since I started my campaign. I figured that people capable of casting Trap the Soul were few and far between, relatively speaking. Although, not many people have access to Resurrection either, I suppose. When's that book coming out?

-Tiberius
 

Mistwell said:
Seriously, why on earth did this topic not warrant at least an "OT" next to the title?

This thread discusses such things as abortion, the advisability of the death penalty, the process of amending the US Constitution, crime control, and the war in Afganistan. COULD THIS BE ANY MORE OFF TOPIC? If you want politics, go here:

http://pub63.ezboard.com/fgroundzerointheculturalwarfrm1

that's fine and all, but do you agree that this person should have his nuts crushed by a blunt object? ;)

by the way, i know it's late.....




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I think the following is appropriate...

"Hangin's too good for 'im. BURNIN'S too good for 'im! He should be cut into itty-bitty pieces and BURIED ALIVE!!!!" Hanover Fiste, Heavy Metal, The Movie.


Seriously. I see nothing wrong with a certain amount of vigilanteism when our government fails to protect us and provide a serious deterant to being an ass (not saying it has to be the death penalty...make prison suck...no heat, no cooling, no carpetting. You sleep on the floor. You've got to clean your own damn crap up or it doesn't get cleaned. No medical care. Just enough exercise to keep you healthy. Food is nutritionally sound, but tastes like crap. etc.).

Clearly, our society failed this little boy (and not just our justice system). If I was one of his parents, damn skippy I wouldn't sit back and wait for the state to take care of things...I'd off this MFer and his girlfriend, too and I'd make a public statement that I did it to deliver justice and suggest other parents do the same thing to avenge their little children. A society that fails to protect it's childern is a doomed society and ours is not doing very well...I just saw a report on FoxNews the other night that Children in the US are FIVE TIMES more likely to be murdered than in other industrialized nations. There is very little I can think of that is more shameful.
 


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