Can you counter a Silent + Still Spell?

[Destil]

Was this in reply to me? I wasn't sure.

Yeah, sorry. Quoting posts with big quote blocks always ends up looking odd, to me.

 

[kreynolds]

Yeah, sorry.

OK. Then do you still stand by your opinion that you cannot identify a spell that is being cast and attempt to counterspell it in the same round? Or is that only in regards to a Silent + Stilled spell?

 

[dkilgo]

I would have to say that you could still identify the spell, and you could stil dispell/counter it. There has to be some tell-tale sign of the caster casting a spell silent and still don't negate the fact that the caster is still casting a spell. It just means that he could be quiet and stand relatively still while casting. Your character has cast a few spells in the past, and has probably seen other poeple cast spells in a similar fashion in the past. You probably know what to look for. Granted, the signs would be a little difficult to spot, but that is what the +2 increase to the DC reflects.

 

[wujenta]

Hi everyone. I readed this post and remembered something I saw on Song and silence. Look for the feat Disguise spell (page 38). In the description of the feat says:

"Like a silent, stilled spell, a disguised spell can't be identified throught a spellcraft check"

So I would say that you cannot counterspell a silent, stilled spell.
You can try blindly or go for a dispel magic as has been told in other replies.

 

[Shadowlore]

Hi everyone. I readed this post and remembered something I saw on Song and silence. Look for the feat Disguise spell (page 38). In the description of the feat says:

"Like a silent, stilled spell, a disguised spell can't be identified throught a spellcraft check"

So I would say that you cannot counterspell a silent, stilled spell.
You can try blindly or go for a dispel magic as has been told in other replies.

Sorry to nitpick (Hey, I hang with rules lawyers, cut me some slack, eh? ), but it *could* be counterspelled, but apparently not identified.

The mages/clerics/bards I've run with will take that (can't be ID-ed vs/ can't be counterspelled) as a huge difference.

Cheers,
Bill

 

[Destil]

OK. Then do you still stand by your opinion that you cannot identify a spell that is being cast and attempt to counterspell it in the same round? Or is that only in regards to a Silent + Stilled spell?

Only a still silent spell.

 

[kreynolds]

"Like a silent, stilled spell, a disguised spell can't be identified throught a spellcraft check"

Well I'm be snookered...

 

[kreynolds]

Only a still silent spell.

OK. I'm with ya' now. I kinda got mixed up in the thread for a bit there.

 

[lupo]

Page 19 of Tome and Blood:

When a foe casts a still and silent spell, the DC of the spellcraft check increases by +4.

Yet in Song and Silence it says that a silent still spell can not be identified.

What is the right ruling, or has WOTC not issued anything on it?

 

[kreynolds]

What is the right ruling, or has WOTC not issued anything on it?

Frickin' wierd. Time shoot off some emails!

By the way, has anyone receive a reply from the Sage recently? I've sent several emails to his new AOL address but haven't received a single reply since he left.