Saeviomagy
Adventurer
... whose abilities are, as a general rule, less powerful than his own dailies.
The simple solution is to disallow veteran's armor, because it is simply far too good.
Can you spend an action point outside of combat?
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The simple solution is to disallow veteran's armor, because it is simply far too good.
Danceofmasks
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No, it isn't ... 'cos you're not just trading an item daily usage for your own daily ...
You're also trading an action point.
Which isn't just an additional action, but also nets you a bunch of other bonuses ... as well as allowing you to (for example) combo your close burst attacks for maximum damage output.
Err ... such as with come and get it + sweeping blow.
It's a viable option, but I consider it weaker than a fair number of other armours ..
Doctor Proctor
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Yeah, Veteran's Armor isn't the best stuff out there, but it has it's uses. However, it should be used in combat as was intended...you shouldn't be having people running around in the Epic Tier with +1 Veteran's Armor so they can recharge their stances outside of combat. Keeping Action Points in encounters ensures that you won't have this sort of messing around going on. If a PC feels his dailies are that important, then he can get appropriately leveled Veteran's Armor and wear it into battle.
There's a pretty simple house-rule to Veteran's Armor to fix it: Make it only work on daily powers of the armor's level or lower. So, a suit of +1 Veteran's could only recharge a level 1 or 2 daily power, etc.
I fail to see the problem or the advantage that is to be gained. At least for 99.9932% of all campaigns.
A) It only counts towards a milestone if it's a significant encounter. Running into a squirrel eating a nut does not get you a milestone and even if it did the number of encounters is always in the DMs hands, not the players.
B) You still can only use the item once per day, no matter how many milestones you reach (Ok, barring Artificer powers, but even then see A)
What, exactly, is the presumed benefit that people are worried about preventing?
(And if your players are running around with multiple Veteran's armors there are probably worse things wrong with your campaign anyways. Too much cheese is a symptom, not a cause of the problem. And, in that case, if you feel a need to restrict action point use to prevent this problem - go for it. But the problem isn't whether or not they can use action points outside of combat, the problem is much deeper than that and has no relevance to most campaigns.)
Carl
A) It only counts towards a milestone if it's a significant encounter. Running into a squirrel eating a nut does not get you a milestone and even if it did the number of encounters is always in the DMs hands, not the players.
B) You still can only use the item once per day, no matter how many milestones you reach (Ok, barring Artificer powers, but even then see A)
What, exactly, is the presumed benefit that people are worried about preventing?
(And if your players are running around with multiple Veteran's armors there are probably worse things wrong with your campaign anyways. Too much cheese is a symptom, not a cause of the problem. And, in that case, if you feel a need to restrict action point use to prevent this problem - go for it. But the problem isn't whether or not they can use action points outside of combat, the problem is much deeper than that and has no relevance to most campaigns.)
Carl
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Danceofmasks
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Well, it should only really be a plus for characters that get more action points than they can use ... such as battlefield archers.
With ... multiple suits of +1 veteran's shirt+pants in their bag of holding for use inbetween real encounters, taking short rests to reset their "one AP per encounter" limit.
Yes, that's cheese, but for most characters it isn't.
With ... multiple suits of +1 veteran's shirt+pants in their bag of holding for use inbetween real encounters, taking short rests to reset their "one AP per encounter" limit.
Yes, that's cheese, but for most characters it isn't.
James McMurray
First Post
It's only cheese if you don't have any other daily item powers closer to your level that you'd rather use. And if that's the case, you GM is stingy or you haven't looked closely enough at AV. 
Danceofmasks
First Post
Which ... really shouldn't be much competition for your own daily power.
Thanee
First Post
Main benefit is, that you can still use another Action Point to gain an extra action during the encounter where you use the daily power you recovered (which is a free action, BTW, and even gives you +1 to attacks and defenses for one round in addition to regaining the daily power).
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Thanee
Or you could have simply used the action point in the previous encounter to recover the power then.
So, yes, this allows you to spend three action points in two encounters. But since getting those three action points represents a minimum of five encounters I don't see this as a problem either. (Minor Point: the restriction of one per encounter was not put in for some abstract balancing reason. It was put in to prevent players saving them all up for one boss mob and then using them to nova. This does not fall into that category and isn't going to give the players any great advantage.
Carl
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