Level Up (A5E) Cantrips, pros and cons

[PJ Coffey]

I’ve merged the two threads for you.

Most kind.

 

[lichmaster]

Ooh... do you have a Google doc or something somewhere? I do like a good point based system.

Not yet, but I may create one soon if there's interest.

 

[Jacob Vardy]

I find it really interesting! And it really presses hard on one of the changes I'd like to make to Bards...

At 5th level, Bards should be able to cast Vicious Mockery as a bonus action.

That sounds great. I think I'm gonna do that unilaterally. So bard players have something to do with their bonus action once they've run out of battle hymns and bardic inspiration.

Is it just me or is what a character does with their bonus action that defines a class? Everyone can cast a spell or hit something with an action. But for a bonus action only berserkers rage, rangers have hunters target, rogues cunning action...

 

[Jacob Vardy]

I think you missed a bit. It cuts off mid sentence at the end of b-tier.

"...officially you’re only supposed to be able pick up void maw from a feat but "

 

[PJ Coffey]

I think you missed a bit. It cuts off mid sentence at the end of b-tier.

"...officially you’re only supposed to be able pick up void maw from a feat but "

Yeah. "In practice that's not obvious." thankyou!

 

[PJ Coffey]

I find it really interesting! And it really presses hard on one of the changes I'd like to make to Bards...

At 5th level, Bards should be able to cast Vicious Mockery as a bonus action.

Oh! I missed this in the merge.

Yes. I think that would be good for the cantrip. Pushing it up to S tier because it would be usable far more frequently although it would clash with Bardic Inspiration and other in combat options. Bonus actions are often meant to be conditional on your main action compare with two-weapon fighting.

 

[PJ Coffey]

Oh. I don't know what the unwritten posting protocol here is.

I did do another post this time about the cantrips from Manual of Adventurous Resources which PMG kindly permitted me to reproduce the text of for educational and entertainment purposes.

The Cost of Cantrips II: MOAR Cantrips

A look, (with permission) at how the cantrips in the Manual of Adventurous Resources from PMG stack up against the main Level Up books.

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