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[Umbran]

And that's why we should keep alignment in the monsters' stat blocks.

On the one side, we have representation in the face of real-world systematic discrimination. On the other, we have an arbitrary, fictitious morality system used to pretend to be an elf.

And you want to suggest these are comparable, as if that were, you know, sensible. Sure.

Whoops, wrong thread! My mistake there.

Smiley faces are not a defense for saying awful stuff, you know.

The next time you want to make petty jokes, do it in a thread that doesn't contain real-life issues of people on the boards attached to them. Because right now, you look less witty than you think, and probably rather more thoughtless than you imagine.

No, I'm not putting that in red text. But no, you probably shouldn't argue. Please just consider the point, and leave it be. Thanks.

 

[Faolyn]

I might have missed it, but... Are they doing that? What mechanics are being introduced by WotC that will impact a PC's in-game identity?

No, they're not introducing anything like that. They've just been having more gay characters in their books.

 

[Ancalagon]

Example 1:
I see nothing relevant at all regarding sexuality in the plot section noted. Please tell me how sexual preference or tras vs cis gender is relevant to this plot or what happens. More specifically, if you change the sexual preference of one of the characters how does this plot change or what would not work?

Example 2:
Part of this would fall into the "biology surrounding reproduction", which I noted is an exception (along with genitalia and graphic sex). That said, if I am playing a woman slug, why does she have to "lean woman". I would argue she is a woman period and does not need any extra qualifiers put on her .... unless of course reproduction becomes part of the game for that character. If she later decides she is a man, then she is. She is not a transgender man, or a non-binary man (which is a little contradictory). She, or I should say he, is a man period.

As for the "fade to black" sex; that can happen regardless of the sexuality and gender of the characters. Yes it happened and it does not matter if the slugman was a man, woman, binary and whether he/she was heterosexual or homosexual and what his or her partner was. Again those "labels" are irrelevant to the story.

In example 1, let me give you more details.

Spoiler: More Lady's Mirror Plot points

1: one NPC will try to seduce the PCs and possibly use a love potion. The PC's orientation will matter a TON.
This is also the NPC who was a romantic rival to the arch-wizardress
2: Another NPC is in love with the arch-wizardress... but has been in the mirror so long that he may confuse a female PC for said arch-wizardress
3: two minor NPCs are husband and wife, and their behavior towards another is of course seriously affected by this bond

The NPCs are characters you create. They have motives, goals, people they care about. Any of these can be influenced by their gender and orientation. This is why I asked you if you have ever been a DM.

for the fade to black, I specifically mentioned this because of your repeated mentioned of "porno roleplaying".

 

[Ancalagon]

In another game I ran, the PCs are part of a mercenary company. They discover that a noble has been plotting against their captain and investigate.

It turned out that the city of Florence wanted to capture the town controlled by the noble, and were spreading rumors that the noble's wife had been unfaithful to him. Even though the noble suspected that the rumors were false, honor demanded that he struck back against the captain to save face. (edit, a clarification: Florence calculated that the noble would loose or be weakened by the conflict, thus giving Florence an opportunity to conquer or "save" the town).

Again, the orientation and gender - and gender roles were important to the plot of the story.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

There is nothing porno

So you admit to being wrong about this making "D&D porno", correct?

but but as you described it, there is nothing pansexual

Chance has had romantic and sexual relationships with both male and female NPCs, as well as NPCs of different species (human, elf, and dwarf individuals so far). That's pansexual.

genderfluid

Chance's gender literally changes dependent on the physical form they choose with their changeling Shapechange ability. I roleplay Chance slightly differently in a male form than when in a female form. That's literally genderfluid, stop trying to tell me who my character is, please.

nonbinary about Chance either

Chance as a whole does not identify with any gender. Chance is non-binary, with individual identities and forms having specific genders (as a Human Imperial Warlord form, Chance is male, as a Half-Elven Mage, Chance is female, etc).

except as specifically related to his/her organs and biology when he/she changes and if he/she was not a changeling even that would not be there.

Unless Chance was a spellcaster that had access to Alter Self.

Whether or not Chance's identity would be the same as a different species is irrelevant. I chose Chance to be a changeling because of how important it was to the vision I had for the character. Chance is genderfluid, pansexual, and nonbinary. It's important to my character's identity and how they act. Stop trying to gaslight my experiences as a player, please.

Further Chance would be exactly the same character if "she" was a heterosexual cisgender man who preferred to use female gender pronouns.

No, Chance wouldn't. That would change how I played the character. It would literally change a major aspect of the campaign. My character's sexual and gender identities and Changeling abilities have all highly influenced both minor and major aspects of the campaign. I really don't feel like spending my time giving a list of the dozens (and possibly hundreds) of times that it has done so, because it would be based off of my word either way. If you don't trust me by saying that it has impacted the campaign, you wouldn't trust me if I gave more specific examples where it impacted the campaign.

Again no one has provided a case where this is RELEVANT in game.

Yes they have. You have just continued to move the goalposts and gatekeep what you decide is "relevant" to the game.

You say his THEIR sexuality came up here. Can you explain the context, because nothing above in this quoted part would seem relevant to his THEIR sexuality. Again if Chance is a trasgender homosexual man, or a cisgender bisexual woman how does this story change? Are you suggessting he THEY can't pretend to bee a noble suitor if that is the case? That he THEY must be genderfluid and pansexual to do this?

*Fixed that for you. Is it really too hard to say "they/their" instead of "he/his"?

As I mentioned above, the side plot was quite long and complex. Simply put, Chance pretended to be a half-elven nobleman magic practitioner in order to get married to a 21 year old heiress of a stronghold that resided in a tactically advantageous area and had good defenses and resources (close to Silverymoon, surrounded by tall stone walls with archer towers, had a squad of griffin-riding archers, etc). Chance spent over a year of in-game time courting the heiress, gaining the trust and blessing of her parents, investigating the hold's relationship with Silverymoon, and so on. Chance got married to the heiress and actually developed feelings for her even though Chance only intended this mission to be for selfish purposes, she got pregnant with Chance's child, and Chance grew close with the family Chance was deceiving, well, besides Chance's father-in-law, whom they still assassinated for Chance's plan to work (which Chance then blamed on a mage from the leadership of Silverymoon with forged evidence, in order to demand that Silverymoon turn over for his made-up crimes against the hold).

Chance actually fell in love with their wife, even though Chance didn't intend it. It changed a huge part of the campaign's plot there-on-out, and factored into the campaign many times later on.

 

[Horwath]

Claim: Gender never mattered in D&D
D&D: If you're a woman subtract points from strength (or maximum strength or whatever).

Stop pretending that D&D was equal for all genders and sexuality. It's a position that is more absurd than any fiction.

It was a clumsy and needless addition to the (fantasy) game, but to play the devil's advocate here;
If they based their decision on biology of Homo Sapiens Sapiens from the "Realm of Earth" to apply to fantasy species or even humans from another world they would be correct. They didn't need to be correct on that one, but hey....

 

[Bagpuss]

One thing I'm curious about is how does titles work for trans characters. Like in the real world They/Their for example works for day to day life...

Think you are confusing trans with non-binary.

 

[Bagpuss]

Now if your campaign goes down the path that said raped barmaid can't get pregnant from the horny teens because she is a transgendered woman instead of a cis gendered woman and physically can't get pregnant, or vice-versa - well then gender identity could be relevant, but I have never seen that in actual play. I still can't think of any reason at all why sexual preference would be relevant to the situations quoted above.

At the very least if it was a barman rather than a barmaid the encounter would play out differently due to the sexual preference of the PC in question. Also the fact she could get pregnant as a cisgendered barmaid, shows that their identity is important, just because it is the norm doesn't mean it doesn't matter.

 

[Bagpuss]

In general, there are at least four genders:
• Male
• Female
• Both
• Neither

Each of these genders is quite different from the other.

Generally sex and gender are separated now for discussion and clarity. You've described sex rather than gender.

Male and Female tend to be used to describe sex, while man and woman gender.

So for example a transwoman is male, but expresses gender as a woman. Cisgender or cis, just means their sex and gender match in the traditional sense.

 

[imagineGod]

Generally sex and gender are separated now for discussion and clarity. You've described sex rather than gender.

Male and Female tend to be used to describe sex, while man and woman gender.

So for example a transwoman is male, but expresses gender as a woman. Cisgender or cis, just means their sex and gender match in the traditional sense.

I could not help this bad joke. Sorry.

"How does a French door express gender identity? La porte"

Edit: The full joke is not funny so not sharing it all. It is about a southern American visiting France with stereotypical accents, etc.