Celestial Mithral plate armor - ?

[Hypersmurf]

LOL, bad analogy, Hide armor is always made of Hide and can NEVER be metal (as far as a rhino is concerned).

That's pretty much my point.

Rhino Hide is +2 Hide Armor.

Demon Armor is +4 Full Plate.

Celestial Armor is +1 Chainmail.

Elven Chain is Mithral Chainmail.

The specific armors can only have different qualities/changes made with a house rule from your DM... at which point he can decide whatever he wants about Mithral Celestial Armor.

-Hyp.

 

[HEL Pit Fiend]

That's pretty much my point.

Rhino Hide is +2 Hide Armor.

Demon Armor is +4 Full Plate.

Celestial Armor is +1 Chainmail.

Elven Chain is Mithral Chainmail.

The specific armors can only have different qualities/changes made with a house rule from your DM... at which point he can decide whatever he wants about Mithral Celestial Armor.

-Hyp.

So what you are saying is that if a 15th level Wizard with the Craft Arms and Armor feat upgrades the Demon Armor from +4 to +5, it no longer is "Demon Armor" because it must be "+4 Full Plate" (without a house rule)? Sounds too restrictive to me...

 

[Shin Okada]

So what you are saying is that if a 15th level Wizard with the Craft Arms and Armor feat upgrades the Demon Armor from +4 to +5, it no longer is "Demon Armor" because it must be "+4 Full Plate" (without a house rule)? Sounds too restrictive to me...

No. Under current ruling, no matter how high his caster level is, a wizard cannot upgrade the Demon Armor into +5 armor.

Yes, very restrictive. But that is the rule.

 

[HEL Pit Fiend]

No. Under current ruling, no matter how high his caster level is, a wizard cannot upgrade the Demon Armor into +5 armor.

Yes, very restrictive. But that is the rule.

What ruling? Where can I find it?

 

[Camarath]

Page 182 of the DMG under Specific Armors
"The following specific suits of armor usually are preconstructed with exactly the qualities described here."

Thus your DM can change them if he wants but you can not by default deconstruct them and use their magical properties. The items in the DMG are generally asumed to be useble as they are listed in the DMG. Any change, modification, or addition to these items requires DM approval.

 

[Darklone]

Whut? No Rhino Hide Demon Armour for Grugsh the Minotaurian Hornblower?

Damn. I really enjoyed that character.

 

[HEL Pit Fiend]

Page 182 of the DMG under Specific Armors
"The following specific suits of armor usually are preconstructed with exactly the qualities described here."

Thus your DM can change them if he wants but you can not by default deconstruct them and use their magical properties. The items in the DMG are generally asumed to be useble as they are listed in the DMG. Any change, modification, or addition to these items requires DM approval.

DMG pg 182. Adamantine Breastplate is the only type of adamantite armor listed. Are you saying that if a player wanted to get a set of full-plate made out of adamantite that would require DM approval since it's not specifically listed?

Thus your DM can change them if he wants but you can not by default deconstruct them and use their magical properties.

I'm not deconstructing anything, I'm talking about creating a new piece of armor.

Whut? No Rhino Hide Demon Armour for Grugsh the Minotaurian Hornblower?.

As long as it's made of Hide (maybe off a Half-Fiend/Half Rhino) with the claws still on it, why not? Unfortunately, Grugsh the Hornblower may have to remove the Hide helm to toot his own horn.

 

[Harlequin_1998]

You can imply from the title and description that Celestial Armor is armor made by (or at least on the home plane of) Celestials. My take, therefore, would be that the special properties are partly due to material (celestial metal - could be mithral, could be steel, could be gold and silver, etc.) and partly due to environment. So, the individual DM can say that the armor, as is, is made up of anything he wants (just be consistent). A similar argument can be made for Fiendish Armor.
What this also means is that you cannot upgrade a non-celestial armor to have celestial qualities. That would be like saying you want to upgrade your Rhino Hide armor to Dragon Scale armor. That's not an upgrade, that's a replacement.
Other types of Celestial Armor (Celestial Plate, for ex.) would be up to the individual DM, but remember to justify it. I would be surprised to see any kind of winged celestial wearing heavy armor, but the really powerful ones may (such as in various works of art depicting the angels Michael and Samael).

 

[Skinwalker]

You can imply from the title and description that Celestial Armor is armor made by (or at least on the home plane of) Celestials.

I'm not trying to step on your toes if you mean this as a house rule, but as a core rule it doesn't wash. Items that can only be crafted by a certain race have that listed in the prereq's. Examples: Elven Boots & Cloak. Nor is there any mention of having to be on the home plane of a celestial in order to craft it.

 

[dravot]

I'd prolly say that the resulting armor would have the worst stats of the two separate armor (the lower max dex bonus, the higher spell failure and armor check), and allow it to be treated as light armor as per mithral (or as per elven chain anyway). I'd also price it at 40% higher than the market cost for celestial armor.