Challenging my high-lvl group (NPCs and monsters; my players shouldn't read this!)
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Kaodi
Legend
Challenge
It would seem to me that to challenge high-level groups you need to resort to strategies that involve less raw power and more ingenuity. PirateCat, you definately seem to keep your players on their toes. Playing with the language itself is always fun, and so is playing non-magical tricks. Who was it who came up with the wight dragon? (Wulf???) This is the perfect example of turning things on their head. Personally, I have very little experience as a DM (two games), but I aspire to ravage my players with monsters that are well within (and below) their own power level by being sneaky. PirateCat, being the DMing genius you are, probably have no problem with this sort of stuff... Little late to make suggestions for the dragon fight at this point, but I will wait for more idea to filter through the thread... Sorry for no paragraphing, hehehe... Until next time.
It would seem to me that to challenge high-level groups you need to resort to strategies that involve less raw power and more ingenuity. PirateCat, you definately seem to keep your players on their toes. Playing with the language itself is always fun, and so is playing non-magical tricks. Who was it who came up with the wight dragon? (Wulf???) This is the perfect example of turning things on their head. Personally, I have very little experience as a DM (two games), but I aspire to ravage my players with monsters that are well within (and below) their own power level by being sneaky. PirateCat, being the DMing genius you are, probably have no problem with this sort of stuff... Little late to make suggestions for the dragon fight at this point, but I will wait for more idea to filter through the thread... Sorry for no paragraphing, hehehe... Until next time.
CRGreathouse
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Re: Challenge
Andy Collins did; others may have done so independently.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/cg/cg20010727a
Kaodi said:
Andy Collins did; others may have done so independently.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=dnd/cg/cg20010727a
Kaodi
Legend
Ponder
*sigh*
I am forever mixing up peoples' name. Sorry Andy Collins, it was your wight dragon.
On another note, I wonder what you could do with ghoulish ogres...
On another note, somewhere down the line it would be nice to have an encounter where the bad guys counter the Defenders holy energies with their own unholy energies, thus preventing mass destruction by turning and positive energy.
On another note, I hope you have something deliriously evil planned for this year around Hallowe'en.
On another note, what to do with those damn ogres...
On another note, since ogres are big and strong, and ghoulish ogres ought to be almost as big and every bit as strong and stronger, you could use an ogre " football team " ! Now, now, before you dismiss this idea as being completely lame (and I wouldn't blame you, I am beginning to lose my mind again), consider the sort of fun you could have if you could succesfully charge, bull rush and grapple the Defenders before they had a chance to use their holy powers. A ghoulish ogre shaman carrying a staff with a darkskull attached, casting spells to either strength his team or make it more difficult for the Defenders (I guess he would be the coach, hehe).
On another note, I am sure you are getting tired of notes, so I will say good-bye for now. Looking forward to any feedback.
-Kaodi
*sigh*
I am forever mixing up peoples' name. Sorry Andy Collins, it was your wight dragon.
On another note, I wonder what you could do with ghoulish ogres...
On another note, somewhere down the line it would be nice to have an encounter where the bad guys counter the Defenders holy energies with their own unholy energies, thus preventing mass destruction by turning and positive energy.
On another note, I hope you have something deliriously evil planned for this year around Hallowe'en.
On another note, what to do with those damn ogres...
On another note, since ogres are big and strong, and ghoulish ogres ought to be almost as big and every bit as strong and stronger, you could use an ogre " football team " ! Now, now, before you dismiss this idea as being completely lame (and I wouldn't blame you, I am beginning to lose my mind again), consider the sort of fun you could have if you could succesfully charge, bull rush and grapple the Defenders before they had a chance to use their holy powers. A ghoulish ogre shaman carrying a staff with a darkskull attached, casting spells to either strength his team or make it more difficult for the Defenders (I guess he would be the coach, hehe).
On another note, I am sure you are getting tired of notes, so I will say good-bye for now. Looking forward to any feedback.
-Kaodi
RangerWickett said:Out of the same book, Pcat, you could make the Dwarf bard/loremaster a Red Smile Assassin. I know it wouldn't fit, but hey, it's a prestige class for assassin jesters!
Too bad bards aren't very usefu allies for an army of undead. I don't know if I've ever seen an undead bard before.
My suggestion: some time before this campaign ends, have the Piggy animate and attack them. Just put the piggy on the battle mat, and have at them. It gets bonuses based on how much change is in it.
Hmm, thing is, couldn't you have a variant on bard performances skewed towards the negative side of things? Horrible haunting songs of the failures and corruption of past would-be heroes, sapping the morale and determination of the PCs, dirges which wound the spirit of our heroes... makes for an interesting duel, if there's any bards with the heroes, Song, CounterSong, continuously, while the battle rages on...
You don't have to buff the zombies, you can sap our heroes
Kaodi
Legend
Class Levels
How often do you give your big bad monsters characters levels, PirateCat? I've often thought that if a creature like a dragon gains power through aging, often enough a more industrious wyrm might come along and actively improve their skills and abilities (who knows, maybe you did this with the dragon the Defenders just fought). A big nasty dragon doesn' t necessarily have to be bigger to be nastier once you add in some levels in fighter, cleric, wizard, etc, etc, etc.
How often do you give your big bad monsters characters levels, PirateCat? I've often thought that if a creature like a dragon gains power through aging, often enough a more industrious wyrm might come along and actively improve their skills and abilities (who knows, maybe you did this with the dragon the Defenders just fought). A big nasty dragon doesn' t necessarily have to be bigger to be nastier once you add in some levels in fighter, cleric, wizard, etc, etc, etc.
Piratecat
Sesquipedalian
Interesting question. The dragon they fought was straight dragon, no special levels... but then look at something like the trillith, with psion levels aplenty. Usually my humanoid beasties have levels, the rest don't.
I'll post Kellharin on here once I dig up his full stats.
More goodness coming, too. Is a 16th-19th lvl dungeon crawl an option? Find out! As soon as life calms down a bit, I'll finish the next update and post Kellharin.
I'll post Kellharin on here once I dig up his full stats.
More goodness coming, too. Is a 16th-19th lvl dungeon crawl an option? Find out! As soon as life calms down a bit, I'll finish the next update and post Kellharin.
Ashardalon
First Post
Looking forward to the Dragon battle, as you surely understand!
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