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The idea that Belle might be a half-fiend gave me a similiar, perhaps just an insidious idea. If you take the word, " devil " to mean anything coming out of that pit of darkness, the Nine Hells, then that technically could mean not a Baatezu, but a Baatorian. Or a half-Baatorian also. Perhaps Belle is really a tiefling, descended from an ancient Baatorian, and her heritage was recovered through some dark rituals.

Anyway, why would any self respecting Baatezu ally with a Baatorian? To borrow from another idea: to give Hell the upper hand in the Blood War. Being an alienist, the protobeing thing, is somehow connected to the Far Realm, isn't it? Well, if it isn't, perhaps Agar is still needed to find a way to resurrect the Baatorian race. If it is, then that might open the possibility that Agar is needed to release the Baatorians from the Far Realm, where they hid from the Baatezu. Perhaps even Agar is also distantly descended from the Baatorians, though he was not born a tiefling, and his blood is needed to strengthen the line, or at least keep it from deteriorating further.

Perhaps if you were willing to twist the Modron March storyarc a bit, you could add something about them trying to quell this new plot, as an end to the Blood War would seriously disrupt the order of the multiverse.

Of course, if Baatorians never existed in your cosmology, this all goes out the window. But hey, what is the cost of speculation?
 

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Okay, I thought of something else. This is pretty long...

We can safely assume the DoD will do a bunch more divinations as the wedding approaches, right? They'll be trying to figure out WHY the wedding is happening, if there are ways to break the contract, and so on. They'll ask whether Belle has a hidden agenda. They'll ask whether her father had an agenda when he arranged the wedding. They'll use Detect Evil on Belle and her father. They'll ask more questions about the Pit Fiend.

These divinations NEED to fail. Not like all the Ghouleax divinations, I mean fail in the simplest way possible: Belle and her father aren't knowingly a part of any nefarious plan. As far as they know, it's a legitimate marriage. The only devil who knows there's a deeper plot here is one they've never heard mention of, and the item that spawned this whole strategy isn't anything magical. (If Belle was the one who lost the item originally, she'd have to be evil, which means the PCs would feel free to just attack. So, she HAS to be an innocent.)

Start with Wizardru's scenario, except it probably shouldn't be a skull the devil BelGorgarangoran (let's call him BelGrande for short) wants. It's got to be something Agar's family could keep on their mantel. An antique sword, a large crystal, or an old beer stein or something. Something nonmagical and relatively harmless, but distinctive in appearance.

Enter Belle, the half-Fiend half-Halfling daughter of a newly-arrived businessman. You need the half-Halfling part to make it legal in Halfling society; after all, if someone asks her if she's a Halfling she can honestly answer "yes". Her father, the one who arranged the marriage, is a full halfling (mother was a erinyes), and is a friend and business associate of Agar's father.
The whole reason he came to the town in the first place was that his daughter didn't fit in with other devils, and he didn't want her to grow up evil. He only wants what's best for his little girl, so he asked Belle's maternal grandfather, a priest, to use magic to find the Halfling boy that would make the best husband for her.

Her "grandfather" is actually BelGrande, the devil who wants the item back. He's not actually her grandfather (maybe the connection is much further back, but still through her mother's side), and he told her father that divinations showed Agar's family to be the most suitable for marriage. He was lying; Agar's family was just the one with the item he wanted. But, when Agar became a powerful planar mage, Belle's family just assumed that the divinations were true, and that Agar really WAS going to be the ideal husband for their daughter. Someone who travelled the planes wouldn't have much of a problem with an outsider wife, after all.

When divinations showed that planar travel was going to be disrupted before the wedding, they were worried that any delay would be an excuse to nullify the marriage contract. So, they abandoned the pretense of a normal halfling wedding, and sent a family friend (the pit fiend) to make sure Agar could make it in time. This pit fiend didn't know about BelGrande's plot, either; once she had reassurance that Agar could make it to the wedding, she was satisfied. And since the pit fiend didn't know about any deeper plots, she didn't realize that revealing Agar's wife's fiendish origins prior to the wedding ran counter to Belgrande's plan, since it gives the DoD more time to uncover the REAL reason for the marriage.

Since this whole thing was arranged decades ago, Belle might not even be aware that they weren't told of her heritage; this IS the Outlands, after all, not some Prime, so it's not like the Halflings would immediately stone her to death. But let's assume that she does know, which means she and her family are guilty of telling a small lie but nothing more. She probably had an item that used the 3E Alter Self spell to look like a normal halfling (in 3.5E that spell wouldn't work), but even without the item it's not easy to tell her heritage other than the small bat wings. After all, her mother was a erinyes, so she's very humanoid-looking. She's not evil, either; maybe CN, so from her point of view, she's getting married to one of the few people that wouldn't have any problem with her unusual background (and Agar is NG, so it's not a huge alignment problem either). This sort of marriage is exactly what she's always wanted, so she's really looking forward to a "normal" life.

Belle doesn't know that her grandfather had a deeper purpose behind prompting her father to arrange the marriage. Since she has no ulterior motive, casual divinations wouldn't set off any warnings. Once they're married, though, BelGrande (or whatever his name is) plans on discreetly killing off Agar's family so that Agar inherits the item, again without her knowledge. At that point, it'd be trivial to get the item through her. Even if he fails in killing Agar's family, he'll still get the item eventually once Agar's parents die of old age. And, it's practically guaranteed that Belle would outlive Agar, thanks to her longer lifespan and less dangerous profession.

So, the DoD would be confronted with this situation, and their first instinct would be to threaten/accuse the bride and her family, who all happen to be innocent. This'd lead to the fun roleplaying where you play the distraught bride-to-be, who's been waiting for this day all her life and is terrified the groom will back out...
The best outcome for almost everyone would be for the wedding to go through; it's just what comes after that gets tough.

Belle could just be a normal commoner-type, but if Agar wants a cohort she could make a good Horizon Walker.
 
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I simply adore the creative Rat Bastardy of this thread. You guys are the best at being bad.

Which is why I'm recruiting here for some content for my thread (see link in sig) which just doesn't seem to be digging up the kind of evil that I'm looking for as yet.

"Evil" is too fine a word. I have plenty of "evil" of my own.

It's "style" that I'm lacking. "Class." "Couth."

Panache.

Show me what you've really got.

Apologies for thread hijack.
 

Piratecat said:
Gladly! Didn't I post them ages ago, though? I'll have to check. :)

So, do you folks have any good ideas on how to manage complex combats with lots of complicated NPCs? I'm at that stage, and I feel like a juggler. Sheesh, too much to keep track of.

Post it notes! I found them indisposable when DMing a high level group. One note for each bad guy. Not only is it handy to keep track of hit points, but what spells they have on them, durations, etc. I'd also tend to plan out the first couple of rounds ahead of time.
 

Ok, here is my slight changes from the Wizardru and Spatzimaus:

"When divinations showed that planar travel was going to be disrupted before the wedding, they were worried that any delay would be an excuse to nullify the marriage contract. So, they abandoned the pretense of a normal halfling wedding, and sent a family friend (the pit fiend) to make sure Agar could make it in time. This pit fiend didn't know about BelGrande's plot, either; once she had reassurance that Agar could make it to the wedding, she was satisfied. And since the pit fiend didn't know about any deeper plots, she didn't realize that revealing Agar's wife's fiendish origins prior to the wedding ran counter to Belgrande's plan, since it gives the DoD more time to uncover the REAL reason for the marriage.

I would have it so that Belgrande originally arranged the marriage to get the item (you know it could be an artifact as they do not detect as magic), but didn't divine that Agar would turn out to be a very powerful magician and team himself with the Defenders. That much goodness in one spot is bad for a devil's health you know. He sent the Pit Fiend to stop the wedding so he can start on a new plot or perhaps in Halfling weddings, knowing that the Defenders would naturally do anything they could to stop the union once they found out about the bride's fiendish background.

If an arranged marriage is called off the offending family must pay or lose some monetary or social symbol of their family. Maybe the item that Belgrande is looking for is Agar's Family crest that all the women hate (it's ugly and it has that ugly skull on it) and they find the request for the crest to be a terrific bargain to let Agar out of his marital duties.
 
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I was re-reading all of the Story Hour. Yes, I'm that bored. Anyway, I came across a couple things that made me think more about this concept.

First, when I wrote my earlier post I was operating under the assumption that Agar didn't know about his bride until the Pit Fiend showed up. But, according to Agar:

Crouched in the stairwell, heart palpitating with repressed memories, Agar manages to focus an answer. "Yeah, pretty much so. I had managed to mostly forget about it. When I was a little kid, my parents arranged a marriage to a girl in another village. Later, when I started becoming a diviner, it was one of the first things I asked about. And?" Shudders rake his frame as insane memories start to creep in, but he manages to fight them down and continue. "And the divination was horrible. Horrible . I decided that getting married was something that I didn't want to do. It wasn't long after that when I started exploring the planes." He gulps. "I don't want to go back for the wedding."

So, from this, we can infer the following:

ITEM 1: Agar, a nice young Halfling, casts a divination that shows his future bride to be fiendish in origin.

First, which divination exactly was it? "Weal or woe"? Maybe something that showed him his future in-laws? Or did he make the same mistake Velendo did and ask something open-ended like "is she a devil?" Either way, there are plenty of ways he could have been led to think it was worse than it is. Or maybe half-fiend kids just look naturally ugly at first.

ITEM 2: Agar's parents don't know about Belle's true nature.

It's conceivable that they DO know and approve of her anyway, which'd be a nice twist, but if they did then certain other parts don't make much sense, so let's assume they don't know. Presumably, then, Agar never told them what he found out. Ergo, they've been operating under the assumption that this other family (which they must be close to by now) is just normal Halflings.

ITEM 3: Irony is a wonderful thing.
Out of fear of being married to a fiend, Agar runs away to become a planeshifter and alienist, a combination that in theory should leave him without many of the usual prejudices of form; after all, his motto seems to be "Anything is better with tentacles!"
He probably hasn't given it a second thought in the intervening years, still running blindly away, but if he saw a half-Erinyes half-Halfling, he probably wouldn't recoil any more. (Nolin sure wouldn't.) Especially if you house-rule the Half-Fiend template to take on some of the appearance of the parent; her wings would be feathered instead of leathery, so she'd look a lot like an angel except for the claws. Of course, this assumes you use the 3.5E templates; the 3E Half-Fiend only had a 50% chance of wings, and a wingless Halfling girl would probably be easier to cover with illusions.

ITEM 4: Erinyes have REALLY been nerfed in 3.5E.
They went from 11 spell-like abilities usable at will to 4. No Polymorph Self, Invisibility, Tongues, etc. On the other hand, they gained Greater Teleport and True Seeing, along with jumping from 6 to 9 HD.
This isn't just an idle point. The whole premise of the Erinyes is that it tempts mortals, which should be difficult to do if you clearly show devil features and don't speak the language. Kind of makes you wonder exactly how they can blend in, now doesn't it? It also makes the classic "Alix's stepmom was a chair" story impossible, so for internal consistency you might want to stay with the 3E version.

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Anyway, while I'm not sure you want to do this to the player, you could easily make this a "no way out" scenario. For example, after the PCs did the first divinations on this, they've assumed that the Halfling marriage contract has a standard "both must be Halflings" clause and that Belle is in violation of that.
What if Halfling society doesn't differentiate half-breeds? Unlike Humans, they can't just crossbreed with anything with two legs, so maybe it's never been a major issue to them. She is the child of a halfling, therefore she's a halfling, no matter who her mother was, which makes it legal. The subterfuge involved is dishonest but not illegal, which in many Halfling societies wouldn't even be an issue.

So, let's presume the marriage contract doesn't have any loopholes. How would the Defenders react? They can't really buy out the contract, especially if the bride's family has a serious motivation to see it go forward. For example, maybe her father wants her to take over the family business; she's smart enough (+4 INT for the template), but he's afraid that if he dies she'll lose any legal claim to the company under halfling law. So, he wants to see her married to a halfling before he dies, and there really isn't any acceptable substitute. Once her heritage becomes public, it's not like she'll be able to date normally, so this was the best option.

Maybe Hecabus is right and the pit fiend was really sent by BelGrande to cause problems. The divinations asked if it was sent by Belle's family, and the answer was "yes", but if BelGrande is a distant ancestor he's still family, so it's not a lie. And he has plenty of motivation. After all, his plan wasn't working out the way he had intended; it was originally going to be a simple item retreival from a rich Halfling family. Instead, he could potentially make enemies of a powerful group of living saints; so, he's cutting his losses by getting the Defenders to do his work for him. The first step is to get them worried.
The Pit Fiend shows up two months early in a clearly suspicious way, threatens the party, threatens Agar's parents, and in general gets the Defenders to start the divination chain. Once they realize there's no easy way out of the contract, they'll be looking to deal, and BelGrande wants the DoD to negotiate with him directly instead of trying to deal with Belle's family, since her family doesn't even know about the item he wants.
He'll ask for the item, and they'll give it against their better judgement; after all, it's not magical, so what's the big deal? What he won't say is that he doesn't actually have the authority to call off the wedding. Which leads to all kinds of problems, but once he has the item there isn't a reason NOT to go through with the wedding, not that Agar will think that.

I don't know, I just think it'd be really funny if after all was said and done, Agar was forced, kicking and screaming, to have the happiest day of his life. It'd be a nice counterpoint to the hopelessness of the whole White Kingdom situation, especially if you intend the campaign to draw to a close. "And they all lived happily ever after." All it'd cost is a trinket his parents keep on the mantel.
But, the Defenders have spent so much time defeating world-destroying plots that it may not occur to them that powerful enemies don't always have grand plans. They'll be looking for something bigger.
 
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Oh, I have an idea! What if the devil snuck into a "mirror show" to do some scouting and is truely smitten with Agar? Could you think of anything so annoying as a lusty devil or one as danerous as a incaration of evil scorned. What if the devil was truely willing to give accend to prove it's worth to Agar? This makes me smile as much as an undead Priggle :)

This may also explain the foolish (forshadowing) appearance, or maybe a rival devil interest stepped in to give the Defenders a heads up and try to keep the wedding from happening.

The truly rat-bastard decision is of course to make the marriage the "good" course of action and watch the defendedrs squirm. Maybe a ancient portal can only be opened by a soul intertwined with both good and evil and the wedding would link a demon to Agar enough to accomplish this. What is on the other side? No-one knows except he who marches with the Modrons. Just some late night ramblings.

Kugar out.
 

Kugar said:
Maybe a ancient portal can only be opened by a soul intertwined with both good and evil and the wedding would link a demon to Agar enough to accomplish this. What is on the other side? No-one knows except he who marches with the Modrons. Just some late night ramblings.

It all comes back to the modrons... how evil. I love it. :)
 

What spell was the mist?

I gotta know. What was the mist/cloud spell used in the big battle. For that matter any chance we can see some stats for "The King"? Please?

I'm going to start a high level campaign up soon (again) and I would love to use the spell to confuse the players.

They like playing high level characters, I like frustrating them with things they can't figure out. :)
 

Now why is everyone feeling sorry for Agar. I'm feeling sorry for the devil!

Man u imagin marrying an insane alienist the size of a errr.... You know... And each time u wanna have a quite night for the two of you, you first have to kick the misformed pseudonatural stirge out of your bed and god knows what else might wander or slip under the door in the middle of the night.

And now we aren't even getting started about agreeing on pets..... Or where the honeymoon is going to... or where ANY vacation is going too....

Ahhh.... I feel sorry for the lady!
 

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