Changeover poll

[Scribe Ineti]

Complete change for me and my group, sort of. I ran a lot of AD&D and second edition, and tried third edition, but just didn't care for it. Didn't bother with 3.5. Once we ran a couple playtests of 4e, I got rid of all my earlier D&D stuff except for my Eberron books and will run 4e as my D&D of choice until a better edition comes along.

 

[Hussar]

I'm pretty sure Keep On The Borderlands was, since I've seen it with at least 3 different covers. But what's the point? This whole "second printing" is kind of rediculous without numbers...

Irreguardless, I'm waiting to see how much 4.0s numbers will increase when the new books come out. Make no mistake, I fully expect the numbers to take a nice jump in 4.0s favor. Between the Swordmage and Living FR, the FRCS should be a huge catalyst for people changing.

I agree. KotB was certainly reprinted. As the highest selling module of all time, it should have been. Helped being included in the Basic D&D box set.

But, even without hard numbers, we can make a guess that the print runs are not in the small thousands. WOTC's never printed in those small numbers. WOTC generally prints in the tens of thousands at a minimum. The fact that their first module has gone to second printing means that its selling pretty darn well. Sure, it could be true that they only printed a handful of them, but, this isn't IMO, all that likely.

 

[Maggan]

Regardless of the words "death spiral," the salient modifier is "third party." The person who wrote that was explicitly limiting his comment here to 3PPs- the phrase does not apply to WotC's sales at all.

Yes. Exactly what I was asked to provide a link to.

/M

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Polls are just what they are - samplings of a whole. People who say, "You can't get a fair poll on these/those boards. Don't take too much stock in them." Whatever.

I think that's a pretty piss-poor excuse. I think that if people were sitting around, clearing cookies and revoting, the numbers would be huge - not to mention that they'd be a whole lot more votes for 4e, IMHO. And if that was being done, on both sides, they would cancel out and the percentages would be the same. Based in these votes and things like the ratings at Amazon, really tell the feedback of 4e. This edition is shaping up to be a "love it or hate it" edition.

What's funny is that if the vote was vastly in favor of 4e, I doubt anyone would be arguing its validity.

I don't think that "poll cheaters" are more likely to exist among 4E fans then under 4E dislikers.
If there are really people manipulating a poll, it would either be a single individual (come on, how many EN Worlders do you trust to do such a thing - I can count it on 0 fingers , but I am naive), or the spread would be of equal percentage on both sides.

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

There has been another change, as of 880 votes:

Changeover: 36%
Partial Changeover: 14%
No Changeover: 50%

(Those who tried and quit 4E: 22%)

 

[Ydars]

The sampling bias in this poll is inevitable; people are self-selecting whether to respond/vote/post and so it is likely that those who have an axe to grind are more likely to vote.

Having said this, I sense that 4E is MUCH more polarising than any previous edition of D&D and suspect that the numbers of people who have tried 4E and are not switching is significant.

This mirrors my own personal experience; I was totally up for 4E, even though I have only played 3.5E for 3 years. Now, having seen the game, I will play both games because they feel so different in play.

What does this mean for WoTC; hard to know because we are assuming that they measure success by how many people switch; the real measure of success is how many NEW gamers they bring in and this will take time to measure.

 

[Talmek]

Acquired the 4e core books from a friend who was interested in playing D&D. I read through them, but just couldn't get into it (unfortunately found myself unable to stop comparing 3.5e and 4e). I returned his books to him and let him borrow my 3.5e core books. I now have a new player to add to the ranks of my campaign (That is, if I could find more players where I live).

Staying with 3.5e for now, but who knows?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

What does this mean for WoTC; hard to know because we are assuming that they measure success by how many people switch; the real measure of success is how many NEW gamers they bring in and this will take time to measure.

Or more accurately- whether the influx of new gamers is great enough to offset the non-adopters, resulting in at least no downturn in sales, vis a vis 3.X.

Its the total sales that matter- if the newbies outnumber the stay-at-homes, the game will be a success. If not...

 

[Jhaelen]

What does this mean for WoTC; hard to know because we are assuming that they measure success by how many people switch; the real measure of success is how many NEW gamers they bring in and this will take time to measure.

Erm, actually, I think they measure success by how many books they sell.

As I've already pointed out at least once in this thread, me voting 'Never tried 4E, all earlier edition play' doesn't mean I'm not buying the books. I'm buying them even though I don't currently play 4E and probably won't for quite a while.

I doubt I'm the only one.

 

[Flatus Maximus]

Erm, actually, I think they measure success by how many books they sell.

As I've already pointed out at least once in this thread, me voting 'Never tried 4E, all earlier edition play' doesn't mean I'm not buying the books. I'm buying them even though I don't currently play 4E and probably won't for quite a while.

I doubt I'm the only one.

My situation exactly -- I have the books, one guy in the group says no way, but some are curious. There are probably others who are just waiting for the opportunity....