Character Concepts: What do you think of these characters?

What do you think of these three characters?

  • All three are fine examples of what can be done with the rules, without abusing them.

    Votes: 8 22.9%
  • The Rogue would be allowed in my game.

    Votes: 3 8.6%
  • The Psionic Warrior would be allowed in my game.

    Votes: 12 34.3%
  • The Fighter would be allowed in my game.

    Votes: 18 51.4%
  • The Rogue would not be allowed in my game because...

    Votes: 16 45.7%
  • The Psionic Warrior would not be allowed in my game because...

    Votes: 8 22.9%
  • The Fighter would not be allowed in my game because...

    Votes: 2 5.7%
  • All three are fine examples of abusing the rules.

    Votes: 3 8.6%

  • Poll closed .

Creamsteak

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Here we have three examples of characters that are able to deal above average damage for their class, or deal some kind of destructive affect against opponents that may normally be a bit difficult to fight. Minimizing supplements use, these characters try to be tough, but not by abusing the rules. My question is, as a DM that allows these kind of characters because I understand how "cool" they can be to my players, what is the opinions of other DMs as a whole when they are presented with these ideas. These are the three "best" examples I've seen so far, all first level, all a match for other characters of their level and then some. So I poll you, what do you think?

Rogue
Abilities: Charisma 13+
Race: Human
Class: Rogue
Skills: Iaijutsu Focus (4 Ranks)
Feats: Cosmopolitan (Iaijutsu Focus), Quick Draw
Equipment: Sap

Supplements: Oriental Adventures, Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting

When the Rogue catches an opponent flat-footed and the Rogue has not yet drawn the sap, the Rogue can score a rather nasty subduel damage strike. For a non-human, drop Cosmopolitan and raise the Charisma to 16+ to get the same average damage.

Damage: The Rogue's sneak attack (1d6) + the Rogue's Iaijutsu damage (average 2d6) + Sap (1d6) + Strength Modifier. Excellent for taking down unaware opponents without allowing them enough time to say a word. If a CDG is ever possible in conjunction with an Iaijutsu Focus Check, the affects are cumulative.



Psionic Warrior
Abilities: Total Ability Scores 66+
Race: Human
Class: Psionic Warrior
Feats: Inner Strength, Talented, Body Fuel
Special: Mind Blast

Supplements: Psionics Handbook

The Psionic Warrior, through body fuel, can provide enough power points to fuel a Mind Blast. A Mind Blast, as a special purpose power, is not subject to the normal per-level power point expenditure limit, and it is not required to have a certain Charisma score in order to use the ability. Mind Blast's key advantage is that subjects that fail the saving throw are not limited by Hit Dice, allowing the Mind Blast to take down bigger, tougher, more dangerous opponents than a sleep spell cast by a first level caster. Ability Score Point loss can be recovered much more easily with a method to regenerate ability scores (such as the Egoist Power: Lesser Body Adjustment), so although it is possible to pull off two mind blasts in a day, the risk is extremely dangerous unless the necessary healing is available.

Errata: Body Fuel is limited to burning 60 Ability Score Points per day.

Damage: Will Save or 3d4 round Stun (No HD Limit), excellent for taking down groups of powerful weak-willed opponents.



Fighter
Abilities: Strength 14+
Race: Human
Class: Fighter
Skills: Ride
Feats: Mounted Combat, Ride-By-Attack, Spirited Charge
Equipment: Heavy Lance + Light Warhorse (160 GP)

Supplements: None

Using a Two-Handed Heavy Lance, on a Spirited Charge, the fighter can deal 3d8+9 damage with a strength of 14, or 3d8+18 damage with a strength of 18. That's an average of 21.5 or 30.5 damage. The lack of first level armor is a downfall, but the fact that a single much larger opponent can be taken down with a few Ride-By charges amounts to an effective way to deal with the big, dumb, powerful enemies.
 
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I don't believe in iajatsu focus. No skill should be able to match a class ability (sneak attack), even if it's only at the start of combat.
 

I agree with the Jester in regards to the rogue. Iajitsu Focus is just a little bit too powerful.

Psychic Warrior - sure, why not? You're going to be hurting stat-wise, and there is no guarantee that Mind Blast will do anything.

Fighter - again, no prob. Solution: shoot the horse.
 
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The rogue is right out. Iajutsu focus (and skill) is not something I have ever allowed in any of my games and is probably not something I ever will allow. (I might allow it if I decided to run OA but never in D&D).

The Psi Warrior seems fine except for one thing 66+ability points. I run my campaigns from now on on 28 point buy. . . (Well, that and I don't generally use psionics. But if I did, the character would be fine).

The Fighter is fine except for the bit about wielding a lance two handed. If I'm running the campaing, one of the house rules is this: it does no good to weild a lance two-handed. In principle, however, I have no problem with the mounted feats.
 

I guess it really depends. All three are specialized, and capable in only one real area, but that area is their tour de force, making them untouchable in this very limited sense. However, I suppose as a DM I would like to see the backstory and the character's strengths and weaknesses. That's what makes or breaks a concept for me, not the usage of the rules.
 

I'd raise my eyebrows if a player tried to create that rogue. An FRCS feat combined with an OA feat? Iaijutsu Focus on a rogue? Using Iaijutsu to "take down an opponent unawares"? Is that character "oriental" or not?

While not specifically disallowing it, I'd demand a pretty darn good background before that character is even allowed to play.

I was okay with the other two - no rules abuses there, IMO.
 


Rogue? ~ No. I do not allow Iajutsu Focus in any games I run, including oriental style ones. It is poorly balanced and easily abused.

Psychic Warrior? ~ No. I don't like psionics at all. At. All.

Fighter? ~ Yes. He's a fighter that is focused on mounted combat. That's just dandy.
 

the Jester said:
I don't believe in iajatsu focus. No skill should be able to match a class ability (sneak attack), even if it's only at the start of combat.
Use Magic Device. ;)
 


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