Ballard_Alvar
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Ballard_Alvar said:
MMMM, tastes like Bamboo
Characters- Ongoing Druid Debate
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MMMM, tastes like Bamboo
werk
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Ballard_Alvar said:
I think your panda is too good. Pandas are slow moving herbivores, this is a bear.
Black Bear
Size/Type: Medium Animal
Hit Dice: 3d8+6 (19 hp)
Initiative: +1
Speed: 40 ft. (8 squares)
Armor Class: 13 (+1 Dex, +2 natural), touch 11, flat-footed 12
Base Attack/Grapple: +2/+6
Attack: Claw +6 melee (1d4+4)
Full Attack: 2 claws +6 melee (1d4+4) and bite +1 melee (1d6+2)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
It looks like you made a black bear instead of a panda bear...a tougher black bear.
no offense,
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Ballard_Alvar
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werk said:
Fair enough. I did use the black bear as a template. If you notice i did increase the CR to account for the Better black bear. perhaps you are right, I could make him a little slower. afterall his natural terrain is more of a jungle oriented terraforma. how do you like this?:
Panda Bear
Medium Animal
Hit Dice: 4d8+8 (26 HP)
Initiative: +1
Speed: 20'(Walk), 20' Climb
Armor Class: 14(+1 Dex, +3 natural), Touch 11, Flat Footed 13
Base Attack/Grapple: +3/+8
Atack: Claw +8 (1d4+5)
Full Attack: 2 claws (1d4+5), Bite (1d6+2)
Space/Reach: 5'/5'
Special Attacks: Improved Grapple
Special Qualities: Lowlight Vision, Scent
Saves: Fort +6, Ref +1, Will +4
Abilites: Str 21, Dex 13, Con 15, Int 2, Wis 10, Cha 8
Skills: Climb +5, Listen +5, Spot +3, Survival +5
Feats:Endurance, Track
Environment: Tropical Forests
Organization: Solitary (Or Pair)
Challenge Rating: 3
Advancement: 5-6 HD(Medium), 7-8(Large)
Level Adjustment: - (+2 chohort)
The Panda bear is a Jungle-dwelling omnivore that usually is not dangerous unless an interloper threatens its cubs or food supply.
Panda bears can be pure black, albino, but mostly Black and White in color and are rarely more than 6 feet long.
Skills: Panda bears have poor eyesite but gain a +2 bonus to survival checks to track prey, and a +2 to listen checks due to their keen hearing.
Combat
Improved Grab: When a Panda Bear hits with a claw attack, he may initiate a graple as a free action. He gains a +4 Racial Bonus on this roll.
Panda bears rip prey with their claws and teeth.
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werk
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I like it better 
I'd prolly lower the DEX and HP and raise the natural AC, maybe even knock the damage down one to 1d3 and 1d4.
Put me in a cage with a black bear (north new jersey), I'll get super anxious. Put me in a cage with a giant panda and I'm not very scared at all...they just aren't very threatening. How many people die each year in China from panda mauling?
This is has really pushed this thread out of the rules forum, I would think.
Was anything decided on wildshape and size?
Are pre-historic mammals, like a land sloth considered an animal?
http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/larson/images/ia_sloth_reconstruction.gif
I'd prolly lower the DEX and HP and raise the natural AC, maybe even knock the damage down one to 1d3 and 1d4.
Put me in a cage with a black bear (north new jersey), I'll get super anxious. Put me in a cage with a giant panda and I'm not very scared at all...they just aren't very threatening. How many people die each year in China from panda mauling?
This is has really pushed this thread out of the rules forum, I would think.
Was anything decided on wildshape and size?
Are pre-historic mammals, like a land sloth considered an animal?
http://www.museum.state.il.us/exhibits/larson/images/ia_sloth_reconstruction.gif
Ballard_Alvar
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werk said:
The damage is appropriate for the type and size of the animal based on MM tables.
I havn't had much contact with black bears v. panda bears, but imo, p/b not a good comparison(deaths caused by x) because there are far more black bears than pandas, and blackbears are more agressive-more to do with nature. if backed into a corner i think the panda would maul anyone that stood between it and its 80lbs of bamboo it will eat today. google lacked any news stories on deaths related to the species.
Sloth is an animal if T-Rex is an anmial. I don't have stats for one. it would be interesting.
As for Wild Shape, It would seem that the size issue could be read either way and by RAW would then need to be left up to the DM. Based on the different interpretations.
*The First: One could reasonably, say that polymorph is a form altering(naural state based effect) magic and does not increase size, or grant bonuses(to ability scores), therefore is not a magical effect that increases size. This means that an Animal Growth could be legally be applied to its fullest extent.
*The Second: One could say: "If your size after the application of the magic is the same as, or less than your size before, your size did not increase due to the magic. Thus, Animal Growth Could be applied to its fullest extent." This argument continues: "If the size after the application of magic is greater than the size of the target before the application of magic, then You do not gain any benefit granted by increased size (or size bonuses). So, For example, a dwarf(M) shifts to a Brown Bear(L) then by virture of Natural Spell casts Animal Growth. the dwarf would only gain DR 10/Magic, + 2 Nat Armor Un-named bonus, +4 resistance bonus to all saves.
*The Third: One could say that polymorph is always a size altering magic and is Animal Growth Never works on a WS druid. I suppose, like the second interpretation, there is a second part to this one: that is, if you get any bonuses at all from Animal growth regardless if your size changes as a result of this spell.
This is one of those holes, it seems. RAW doesn't explicitly say either way because of unclear deffinitions. I tend to favor the First interpretation, and my roomate favors the Second. I suppose you just have to understand what your DM's oppinions on the matter are before you go rolling up a druid. (although you still realy can't go wrong with a druid-EVER)
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