Character's "type"

[Archade]

Elementals also have to worry about being commanded/destroyed by elemental priests. I should probably mention this, since you seem to have glossed it over.

Ew! Good point! Ah well, it never happened, and that campaign came to a close when I had just taken 2 levels of Bonded Summoner, so it's moot, but thanks for the warning!

 

[andargor]

Elementals also have to worry about being commanded/destroyed by elemental priests. I should probably mention this, since you seem to have glossed it over.

I was playing an Elemental Savant (fire), and IIRC, I couldn't enter water either...

We had to be creative so I wouldn't have to sit out of underwater adventures.

 

[atomn]

Thanks, mikebr99!

 

[seans23]

We had to be creative so I wouldn't have to sit out of underwater adventures.

I'd figure that most players would want to sit out underwater adventures.

 

[glass]

Different classes work differently, so you have to look at each class description. For example, Dragon Disciple gets the half-dragon template, which changes your type to dragon and has other effects too.

...which is a particularly amusing example to pick on, since it causes the universe (or at least the character) to implode!


glass.

 

[Matafuego]

...which is a particularly amusing example to pick on, since it causes the universe (or at least the character) to implode!


glass.

Why?

 

[glass]

...which is a particularly amusing example to pick on, since it causes the universe (or at least the character) to implode!

Why?

Sorry, I thought everyone knew this one:

1. A 10th level DD gains the Dragon type.

2. The prerequisites of DD specify non-Dragon type.

3. Therefore, the character no-longer meets the prerequistes for the PrC.

4. Therefore, the character loses the class's abilities (incl the Dragon Apotheosis ability).

5. Therefore, the character is no-longer a Dragon, so again meets the prerequisites.

6. Therefore, go back to 1.


This paradox is predicated on the CW16 rule, since the DMG is silent on what happens if you lose PrC prerequisites (but is consitant with other losses of prerequisites in the game). Obviously, you wouldn't actually rule that way in a real game, but it is an amusing consequance of the RAW.


glass.

 

[DJCupboard]

Sorry, I thought everyone knew this one:

1. A 10th level DD gains the Dragon type.

2. The prerequisites of DD specify non-Dragon type.

3. Therefore, the character does no meet the prerequistes for the PrC.

4. Therefore, the character loses the class's abilities (incl the Dragon Apotheosis ability).

5. Therefore, the character is no-longer a Dragon, so again meets the prerequisites.

6. Therefore, go back to 1.


This paradox is predicated on the CW16 rule, since the DMG is silent on what happens if you lose PrC prerequisites (but is consitant with other losses of prerequisites in the game). Obviously, you wouldn't actually rule that way in a real game, but it is an amusing consequance of the RAW.


glass.

Ah, WotC and their paradoxy ways. According to the strictest reading of the SRD RAW, that isn't quite the case though. the rules say "To qualify to become a dragon disciple [Emphasis mine]..." Dependant on your definition of "becoming" you do not need to fold "remaining" into that concept. Some interpretations of "becoming" follow the concept of an instantaneous effect spell (once it's happened it's over and can't be undone) and so the Dragon Desciple wasn't a dragon when he entered the class and that's all there is to it. So unless WotC plans on releasing a treatise on the meta- physical and -linguistic ramafications of becoming as an act versus a becoming as a continuos proccess in D20 rules sets, the RAW as stated in the SRD still leaves a lot of room for DM interpretation without fudging anything in terms of avoiding paradoces.

Personally, I enjoy watching players experience paradoces, so this is one I'd keep in the game at least for a few minutes in the first session after 10th DD level is acheived. Or maybe turn it into an adventure somehow, with everyone racing to find the Nietszche Coil or some such cheesy thing to return said PC to a state of normalcy. Maybe every d10 minutes he explodes reforming as some random non-DD creature of similar power (randomly chosen ahead of time to speed up gameplay of course) and then 1d4 rounds later violently re-acquires the PrC and the propper form/classes.

DJC