Classes and the Thievery Skill

[mysticknight232]

Wait, Mengu, I was under the impression you can't beat trap DCs over 20 without training in Thievery.

I thought 4e allowed you to use any skill untrained. Mayhaps I'm wrong on that...

 

[mysticknight232]

Are we not mentioning the Skill Training feat because it's too obvious?

Skill training was mentioned...but yes, I actually forgot all about it. I'd hate to waste a feat on just that if I didn't have to, but it is certainly an option for me.

I'm thinking I like the Warlock route. I can train in Arcana, History, Religion and Thievery, all skills the party is currently missing because they do not have an Int based class in it atm.

 

[Larrin]

you don't NEED training in thievery to use it, but

The DM might decide that some uses of this skill are so specialized that you are required to be trained in it to have a chance of succeeding.

(from the skill description of thievery)

 

[Aulirophile]

Remember backgrounds!

 

[mysticknight232]

you don't NEED training in thievery to use it, but (from the skill description of thievery)

Excellent, thanks for clearing that up.

 

[jester_gl]

Let's not forget the old forgotten wild sorcerer who MC to rogue. With Sorcerous Blade Channeling you can even use the SA. Halfling makes the perfect choice for this as CHA/DEX and +2 racial to thievery.

 

[Saeviomagy]

The basic backgrounds in phb 2 essentially let you have thievery from level 1 on any character: simply pick a criminal background and boom, done.

 

[Pseudopsyche]

Seems odd to me that the Runepriest has it but whatever.

In this respect, the Runepriest reminds me of the Runethane from Arcana Unearthed/Evolved. That class also had the equivalent of thievery, to suggest its literally hands-on approach to magic, and their penchant for working magic with objects, sort of like the 4e artificer. Maybe it also helped that Arcana Unearthed didn't have a straight up rogue/thief class.

 

[mysticknight232]

Let's not forget the old forgotten wild sorcerer who MC to rogue. With Sorcerous Blade Channeling you can even use the SA. Halfling makes the perfect choice for this as CHA/DEX and +2 racial to thievery.

Hmm, this is a pretty neat idea actually, especially with the light blade restrictions. If I were to take the ranged combat advantage feat, would I be able to use SA from a distance since I'd be wielding a dagger?

 

[mysticknight232]

Let's not forget the old forgotten wild sorcerer who MC to rogue. With Sorcerous Blade Channeling you can even use the SA. Halfling makes the perfect choice for this as CHA/DEX and +2 racial to thievery.

That is an excellent build idea. I would also consider the Drow because of their stats and I love their racial powers. Thanks for this idea, I'll definately run with it and see how I like it.

After seeing this idea, I'll reconsider my original Infernal Pact Warlock build and include a Halfling (possibly Drow) Wild Sorcerer build as well. I've got it narrowed down to those two I believe. I like the Int skill bonuses of the Warlork build...but I like not messing around with bonus curse dmg and just taking the straight Dex modifier dmg of the Sorcerer. This is going to be a tough choice. Good thing I have a couple of days to decide.

I know you guys love to post your builds on here and I love to read the builds that are posted. Maybe you guys would be up for posting some lvl 4 Infernal Pact Warlock and lvl 4 Halfing or Drow Wild Magic Sorcerer builds to give me a couple ideas to work with. Again...Thievery is about the only must (excluding backgrounds for now). The rest of the group hasn't selected a background yet so I'm working under the assumption that I'm not going to use that bonus for now. I'm sure we'll add them at some point, but not quite yet.

Thanks for all your help! This has been a fun post for me to follow as I love learning new things about existing classes.

Edit: Took out the Tiefling part of the Infernal build as I believe that's the Con/Cha build correct? I'm not 100% sure as I didn't get a chance to dig into the CB last night. Please post whichever Race you think would best compliment the Infernal DPR/Thievery build. Thanks!