Classes: You're designing the next PHB, and...

Which 11 classes would you like to see made core in a hypothetical new PHB?

  • Barbarian

    Votes: 249 61.2%
  • Bard

    Votes: 242 59.5%
  • Cleric

    Votes: 354 87.0%
  • Druid

    Votes: 269 66.1%
  • Fighter

    Votes: 381 93.6%
  • Monk

    Votes: 170 41.8%
  • Paladin

    Votes: 211 51.8%
  • Ranger

    Votes: 243 59.7%
  • Rogue

    Votes: 380 93.4%
  • Sorcerer

    Votes: 202 49.6%
  • Wizard

    Votes: 345 84.8%
  • Healer

    Votes: 37 9.1%
  • Marshal

    Votes: 43 10.6%
  • Hexblade

    Votes: 53 13.0%
  • Samurai

    Votes: 11 2.7%
  • Swashbuckler

    Votes: 106 26.0%
  • Favored Soul

    Votes: 59 14.5%
  • Shugenja

    Votes: 10 2.5%
  • Spirit Shaman

    Votes: 50 12.3%
  • Warlock

    Votes: 150 36.9%
  • Warmage

    Votes: 44 10.8%
  • Wu-Jen

    Votes: 10 2.5%
  • Ninja

    Votes: 38 9.3%
  • Scout

    Votes: 150 36.9%
  • Spellthief

    Votes: 31 7.6%
  • Psion

    Votes: 158 38.8%
  • Psychic Warrior

    Votes: 99 24.3%
  • Soulknife

    Votes: 23 5.7%
  • Wilder

    Votes: 28 6.9%
  • Artificer

    Votes: 116 28.5%

I'm going to assume I can tweak the classes a bit after I choose them, so I'm picking the roles I want in the book, not necessarily the classes as-is...

Drop the pure nature boys (barbarian, druid) because I don't like them, the monk, because it belongs in OA, and the sorcerer, because it's got no flavor at all. Keep the other original core classes (Fighter, Cleric, Wizard, Rogue, Paladin, Bard). I like the psionic classes, but they probably shouldn't be core.

Swap the Scout for the Ranger, because there's not much point in having both of them, and I like the scout better.

Add Favored Soul for a spontaneous divine caster. Add artificer, because all those magic items high-level characters need have to come from somewhere. Add warmage, for the spontaneous arcane caster and 100% pure blaster. And add swashbucler, because it's needed.
 

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Well, I answered the poll when it was still twelve choices. That's a better number anyway. :)

As to my choices -

Fighter - with options to make a barbarian or swashbuckler type character
Rogue
Cleric
Wizard - school or elemental specialties
Ranger - no spells, add scout abilities
Artificer
Bard - full caster, focus on charms and illusions
Druid
Paladin
Monk
Ninja
Samurai - closer to OA version
 

Keep and all the rest not Oriental, except for Ninja
Ninja are the oriental image but theres still ninja like elements for some things in western junk, like a rogue but not.
I dont like excluding anything generic to a core system. Oriental classes should stay in a seperate bit or exotics.
 



I vote for the core 4 (or 5 if you include a psionic class).

Cleric
Rogue
Mage
Fighter

Everything I ever see is just a variation on those (or combination).
 


Hypotheticaly, I'd want three core classes: Fighter, Rogue and Warlock that go up to 15 levels.

All other classes are either advanced classes (16th - 30th levels), specialist classes which you need no prerequisites for (cleric, illusionist, shapechanger) or prestige classes.

It will never happen, but hey, it's how I would build it.
 

Hmmm...

While a large part of me wanted to stick the the current bunch, I went... Barbarian, Bard, Cleric, Druid, Fighter, Paladin, Rogue, Wizard, Psion, Psychic Warrior, Artificer...
(Sorcerers and Wilders lose out because they are just variants of Wizard and Psion, Monk loses out because of the whole OA thing, Ranger... because there were already too many warrior types, and the whole combat specialties thing... I added Psion and Psychic Warrior because they are another alternative effects class, and Artificer, because making magical items is cool, and kind of integral to the game as is. Not having to sacrifice hard earned XP to make items is good.)

You could do it with just the four super-core classes, with most of the others as prestige classes... Typical combos being... Barbarian - Fighter, Bard - Rogue/Wizard, Druid - Cleric with any two Nature type domains, Monk - Cleric/Fighter, Paladin - Cleric/Fighter, Ranger - Fighter/Rogue, Sorcerer - Wizard
 

hard poll ... there's certain classes I think that would make good prestige classes instead of 20 lvl classes.

if you don't want the PrC to be to unbalancing, don't give it such strong abilities (just different) and make the req's easier. A fighter going to a Ranger PrC should be able to pick that up at 5th lvl, maybe 4th.
 

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