Classless/Point Buy d20?

[Nonlethal Force]

Well, I'm not sure how much, but I do think that'd help. The point of the book is to showcase what can be done by being able to freely mix-and-match class abilities (as well as other aspects of a character, like Hit Dice, class skills, etc). The preview, in that regard, should clearly say "Check out what this book will let you do. You can't do this with normal classes!"

To that end, I present Baruk at 14th level. I should note that I am sure this character could be tweaked to be better. But this shows what can be done with this system. I should also note that I only used SRD equipment and the elite array of stats. Allocating the stats differently and purchasing different equipment would obviously change the character to some extent. But, how's this for a monk/barbarian/Morphean/Rogue mix:

Baruk, The Dark Wanderer
Male | Human | Character Level 14
XP Total 91,145 | XP Spent 91,145 | Initial XP Amount 1,500 | XP Remaining 0
Medium
Init: +5 [+5 Dex]
Senses: Spot +20, Listen +3
Languages: Common, Goblin, Infernal.

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Armor Class: 29, Touch: 23, Flatfooted 24
[10 base, +5 Dex, +6 bracers, +3 Ring of Protection, +5 Monk AC class abilities]
Hit Points: 14d10 +14
Immunities: None.
Fortitude: +11 [7 class, +1 Con, +3 Cloak of Resistance]
Reflex: +17 [9 class, +5 Dex, +3 Cloak of Resistance]
Will: +13 [7 class, +3 Wis, +3 Cloak of Resistance]

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Speed: 70 feet
Melee:
+18/+13 Mindblade [1d6+1d4+7+ Channel Terror; 19-20/x2; piercing or slashing]
+15/+10 Touch of Fear (Touch attack) [1d6+14+Terror, psionic damage]
BAB: +10, Grapple: +9
Powerpoints: 59 [59 class, +0 INT (No bonus because of no manifester level)]
Terrors Known:*
Incite Fear, Overwhelming Fear, Horrible Strike, Maddening Fear, Sickening Fear, Mind Drain, Steal Essence, Haunting Steps, Penetrating Fear, Lingering Fear, Soulchilling Fear

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Ability Scores
Strength 8 (-1) [8 base]
Dexterity 20 (+5) [13 base, +1 improvement, +6 Gloves of DEX]
Constitution 12 (+1) [10 base, +2 improvement]
Intelligence 14 (+2) [14 base]
Wisdom 16 (+3) [12 base, +4 Periapt of WIS]
Charisma 16 (+3) [15 base, +1 improvement]

Class Abilities and Level
+3 Mindblade, +3 enhancements {Usually Collision and Psychokinetic}
Trapfinding as Rogue class feature
Trap Sense +4 as Barbarian class feature
Evasion as Monk class feature
Uncanny Dodge as Barbarian class feature
Improved Evasion as Monk class feature
Improved Uncanny Dodge as Barbarian class feature
Monk’s WIS bonus to AC and Monk’s Unarmored AC Bonus +3 as Monk class feature
Monk’s Unarmored Speed +40 ft
Touch of Fear* as a 14th level Morphean
Fearsome Insight/Fearsome Incarnate* as 14th level Morphean
Terrors/Channel Terror* as 14th level Morphean
Abundant Step as 14th level Monk

Feats
Wild Talent [Human Bonus, necessary since Baruk does not have a manifester level as a typical Morphean would]
Stealthy
Persuasive
Weapon Finesse
Fear Mastery*
Intense Intimidation*

Skills [17 max ranks, no cross-class skills]
Bluff +22 [17 ranks, +3CHA, +2 Persuasive]
Concentration +9 [8 ranks, +1 CON]
Disable Device +19 [17 ranks, +2 INT]
Gather Information +11 [8 ranks, +3 CHA]
Hide +24 [17 ranks, +5 DEX, +2 Stealthy]
Intimidate +22 [8 ranks, +3 CHA, +2(Synergy:Bluff), +2 Persuasive, +7 Fearsome Insight]
Move Silently +24 [17 ranks, +5 DEX, +2 Stealthy]
Open Lock +22 [17 ranks, +5 DEX, +2 Stealthy]
Search +19 [17 ranks, +2 INT]
Spot +20 [17 ranks, +3 WIS]
Tumble +13 [8 ranks, +5 DEX]

Possessions
Clear Ioun Stone
Horn of Goodness/Evil
Bag of Holding Type III
Dust of Disappearance x2
Potion of Enlarge Potion x2
Potion of Blur x2
Oil of Darkness x 2
Periapt of Wisdom +4
Cloak of Resistance +3
Bracers of Armor +6
Gloves of Dexterity +6
Ring of Protection +3
Ring of Feather Falling

*These items are found in Dreamscarred Press’ publication: The Mind Unveiled: Morphean. Information on what these class abilities do can be found within that work.

Anyway, as I said above ... I hope that this helps. I have no doubt that Baruk could betweaked and min/maxed. But I'm happy with him at this point. And, I've tried to give him a few personal touches like the Ioun Stone and the Horn of goodness/evil. Maybe not min/max kind of equipment, bt fun! I'm sure I could have done a few things better, but hopefully this willgive you a sense of how seperate aspects of different classes can come together and make a blend that just isn't possible in the core rules.

 

[Nonlethal Force]

As an update in case anyone is still following this thread for stuff regarding Complete Control ...

As the end of this thread on the DSP forums indicates, there is a new series of articles going up regarding Complete Control. Basically, the articles are being written to help players/GMs price out class/PrC class abilities. Oh course, the articles will be more useful once the ruleset comes out, but I wanted to direct people in that direction as an indicator that support for the product will continue even after publication.

Please feel free to check out the articles and post comments if you would like.

NLF

 

[Nonlethal Force]

For anyone still following this thread ... DSP is projecting a release date of Complete Control for next Tuesday!

 

[Fenris]

As an update in case anyone is still following this thread for stuff regarding Complete Control ...

As the end of this thread on the DSP forums indicates, there is a new series of articles going up regarding Complete Control. Basically, the articles are being written to help players/GMs price out class/PrC class abilities. Oh course, the articles will be more useful once the ruleset comes out, but I wanted to direct people in that direction as an indicator that support for the product will continue even after publication.

Please feel free to check out the articles and post comments if you would like.

NLF

NLF, will the articles be included in the product, as say an appendix, so I can have one file with all my Complete Control stuff?

Poke A_a about that.

 

[Nonlethal Force]

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sre the answer there is going to be a solid no, Fenris. The reason is because of OGL. The articles are going to contain the names of any books/classes that people want to break down into Complete Control suggested pricing guidelines. There are no mechanics being given so that it doesn't violate closed content rules. But the fact that the articles will eventually stem into books that are not OGL and thus give the names of closed content abilities (minus mechanics, of course!) does mean that they can't be part of a product for sale under the OGL. So that can't happen.

However, the print function on the articles is really cool. You get what's on the screen in hardcopy. That is a nice function indeed. If you want it electronically, that's a bit more difficult since it is intentionally being written in BBCode. But I'll let Andreas add anything that might be possible, since he is one of the owners of DSP and I am merely a supporting author.

 

[Angellis_ater]

Once the articles are finished, we could look into making them available as a PDF download, but it all depends on how copyright defines "publish". We'll see, but it should be doable.

 

[Nonlethal Force]

Once the articles are finished, we could look into making them available as a PDF download, but it all depends on how copyright defines "publish". We'll see, but it should be doable.

That's a pretty cool idea... if not daunting in scope.

But a cool idea nonetheless. It shouldn't even be that hard to do ... just take a bunch of time. And, of course, I'm sure as with all business decisions it will depend on the profitability of Complete Control. Which, with any luck, will be a hit among DM/players alike.

 

[Angellis_ater]

To be honest it isn't that difficult to match up the articles with the layout and style of Complete Control. You wouldn't happen to have the articles as text-documents, now would you? Because if you did, it would be even easier to transfer them since the tables would be correctly formatted already.

Just saying.

And we DO try to provide our customers with as much additional material and support as we can muster the time for.

 

[Nonlethal Force]

I have the documents as .docx files. The only problem is that I have them saved with the BBCode in them. But that is easy to rip out. One merely needs to do a replace with "

" with " " and its gone.  So I'm not worried about stripping away the BBCode from the text document.  And, of course, if you'd rather have them as a .rtf or other format that could also be done easily.  Short answer = yes.

 

[Angellis_ater]

Great, in which case people can expect PDFs at a later stage as Web Enhancements for Complete Control. It is btw in the LATE stages of being released, we're essentially doing the final touches. It is at 99%/100% right now and I am estamating a release later tonight.