Clone Wars trailer leaked

[cignus_pfaccari]

But my gripe here is really with the way the "handing" of the clone troopers was done. There was no discussion whether they should accept them. We only seem to see the Jedi embracing their leadership role for the troopers and sending them out into a war zone. Maybe I a am expecting a little to much for, well, pop-corn cinema, but I think there could have been room for showing at least some reservations or doubts on the issue.

If the Jedi had had time, they might well have questioned it.

But remember, the battle at the end of Ep2 was a horrific disaster for the Jedi Order. That was basically a decapitation strike against Count Dooku and the Confed leadership. If they'd know they had an army, they would have brought one (as is, Yoda apparently moved incredibly fast), but without an equivalent military force (while the Senate had authorized an army, that takes time to build and train), trying to kill or capture the Confed leadership structure was their best hope for nipping the nascent rebellion in the bud. As we saw, the Jedi there were almost wiped out.

Had the Jedi been slaughtered or captured, the prestige of the Jedi Order would have plummeted, as they're obviously no longer fit to guard the Republic in these dangerous times. The only prestigious Jedi left would have been Yoda, who might well have retired in disgrace and grief (to be quietly hunted down and killed later). This would, in fact, have advanced Palpatine's agenda rather rapidly, actually. I suspect he hoped for this.

But, as happened on screen, suddenly, unlooked-for, there is a military force of stupendous proportion available for use, and already pledged to the Republic. With the knowledge that they had avoided catastrophe by the hair of Anakin's chin, the Jedi surely embraced the Clone Army as a means to keep the Republic safe and extend their fighting power. Puzzling inconsistencies (who actually started it? Why'd the prime template for the clones fight on the Confed side?) were shoved aside in gratitude that the Jedi might be able to win this one.

Brad

 

[Felon]

While we're on the subject though, during Episode II, didn't the clone engineers state that there were only 10,000 clones, and that even with the agine proecess accelerated it took years to develop them? Not much of an army in a galaxy-wide Republic with member planets numbering in the thousands.

 

[Klaus]

While we're on the subject though, during Episode II, didn't the clone engineers state that there were only 10,000 clones, and that even with the agine proecess accelerated it took years to develop them? Not much of an army in a galaxy-wide Republic with member planets numbering in the thousands.

Wookieepedia to the rescue!

It was created by the Kaminoan cloners on Kamino. It was comprised of two hundred thousand growth-accelerated clone trooper units and their war machines as of the start of the Clone Wars.

After the initial engagements, a million more clone units were added to the ranks of the army, followed by numerous additional divisions by the conclusion of the war, by which point it was one of the largest ever assembled.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_army_of_the_republic

 

[Darth Shoju]

I only wish the Jedi had different fighting styles. Since Yoda was shown as being a master of telekinesis in ESB, it'd be awesome to see him use that to fight (possibly wielding his saber telekinetically while pushing his opponent about, all the while remaining stationary.

Yeah there is some cool info in Wikipedia about Jedi fighting styles (I think taken from the d20 Star Wars) that I would love to see integrated into some of the Star Wars media.

 

[Klaus]

It's a shame that Anakin didn't have a more Strength-based, heavy style, like Vader. When even Count Dooku is somersaulting about, you need to hire another fight coreographer...

 

[Darth Shoju]

It's a shame that Anakin didn't have a more Strength-based, heavy style, like Vader. When even Count Dooku is somersaulting about, you need to hire another fight coreographer...

I have a friend that studies Iaidō and he has always wanted to see them create a really innovative fighting style based on the "physics" of wielding a lightsaber. He pointed out that those things are likely very light, with whatever weight there is all in the hilt, have no "blunt" area, and can cause serious damage just by touching your opponent. He also suggested that it would be a nightmare fighting against someone who was wielding a lightsaber through the force alone, as there would be no real limit to how they could pivot and maneuver it without the limitation of the appendage holding it.

There's a lot of potential for really interesting fights that I wish they'd explore more. The closest they came was the "Duel of the Fates" from Episode 1, and much of the credit there goes to having a combatant the caliber (for movies anyway) of Ray Park. I was really hopeful when I saw Dooku's cool saber hilt, but as you pointed out, his style ended up being much like everyone else's.

 

[horacethegrey]

Vader: "The ability to destroy a planet is nothing compared to the power of the force."

Admiral: "OK then. Go ahead. Blow up a planet."

Vader: "Um...I could but I don't wanna!"

Funny dude. But I've read that in the New Jedi Order series, Luke was able to shift the orbit of a planet. Now while I think Luke is the best character in the entire saga, that just reeks of overkill, and totally stretching the bounds of credibility.

For my part, the Force should only grant Jedi the following: heightened awareness, latent ESP, and some occasional boosts of physical ability. They should never be able to move spaceships or planets. My suspension of disbelief only goes so far.

If you thought Clone Wars was over-the-top, wait until The Force Unleashed hits the shelves.

While I'm happy at the prospect of a new third person Jedi game, the previews have rolling my eyes in disbelief. Gone are the days when Kyle Katarn could just run and hide whenever a scout walker rears it's ugly head, all Vader's apprentice needs do is just concentrate and he mash that silly ATST into a box much like a trash compactor. :\ As I said before, the Force should give characters like Kyle and Luke a distinct advantage over ground troops such as Stormtroopers or Gamorreans and the occasional vehicle like speeder bikes (see Return of the Jedi). It should not allow them to go toe to toe with a big piece of galactic hardware such as a scout walker or even an AT-AT.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

They should never be able to move spaceships or planets. My suspension of disbelief only goes so far.

Now a fan of Empire Strikes Back, are we?

"Size matters not."

 

[horacethegrey]

Now a fan of Empire Strikes Back, are we?

"Size matters not."

On the contrary, The Empire Strikes Back happens to be my favorite film in the whole Star Wars saga. And I honestly believe that those scenes with Yoda training Luke are some of best in cinema history.

But what I took from that quote was that Yoda was pressing upon Luke that even a small creature such as he was capable of great things, because the Force was with him. I can accept the fact that Yoda could lift an X-Wing, it was a genuinely wonderous moment. But Yoda flinging starships like he did in Clone Wars? That's just plain cheesy.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

On the contrary, The Empire Strikes Back happens to be my favorite film in the whole Star Wars saga. And I honestly believe that those scenes with Yoda training Luke are some of best in cinema history.

But what I took from that quote was that Yoda was pressing upon Luke that even a small creature such as he was capable of great things, because the Force was with him. I can accept the fact that Yoda could lift an X-Wing, it was a genuinely wonderous moment. But Yoda flinging starships like he did in Clone Wars? That's just plain cheesy.

Truthfully, I don't disagree. Though the insanity of some of the stuff in Clone Wars is definitely well...insane, I kind of just turn my brain off and enjoy it while trying not to think too hard about it. I can definitely understand not liking how over the top it can get.

Oh, and thinking about fighting styles, we at least get a few hints of different ones. Mace Windu definitely fights differently than the other Jedi, as does Palpatine, but beyond that it is basically all the same. Well, except for the OT where the lightsabers were looked at a bit differently. If I remember right, Lucas had said that the reason two hands were used was due to the lightsabers containing so much power, but that kind of went out the window with the prequels.