College Football

[Dimwhit]

I personally feel a 16 team playoff would be best. As how to include the non-BCS I don't know. I would say to maybe have the 11 Conference champs and then 5 wild card spots. But how to decide who gets those 5 I don't know. Of course I would have to say the first thing would be overall record.

Well, do away with the BCS and take the top 16 teams based on their average ranking between the two major polls. Exception: all 1-loss or undefeated teams are automatically in, bumping off the lowest ranked of the 16 teams. Most seasons, there are only a handful of teams with 1 or no losses, and they're usually in the top 16. I think that was the case last year. Probably will be this year. All current 1-loss or undefeated teams are ranked in the top 16 except for Boise (20th) and Miami Ohio (18th). If they both win out, they will likely jump into the top 16. If they didn't, then in my scenario, they would trump the current 15th and 16th spots and go in. That would give schools from the lesser conferences a darkhorse chance at a miracle, but it wouldn't favor them too much, either.

 

[Krieg]

He's also played in 13 games in two seasons that were decided by a touchdown or less. He's managed to win 12 of them, but counting on winning games by less than a touchdown is stupid, and if you're doing that consistently, it's a sign of a great defense and a bad offense, not coaching philosophy. One blown play and you've got a tie game.

He may be stupid, but he's an idiot with 5 national championship rings. He must be doing something right.

The fact that Coach T had dominant O's at YSU & called the dogs off early to coast to a smaller than possible margin of victory on a regular basis. Yes it is his philosophy, and has been the same one used by many HOF coaches.

Check out the national (and super bowl) champions over the past 20 years. Look at where the defenses & offenses of those teams rank nationally.

People may hate it, but more often than not it's the suffocating D with the average O that wins the big ones. Putting up big offensive numbers during the regular season makes the fans all warm & fuzzy, but more often than not it means getting your tail handed to you by the boring O & solid defensive.

A 4-team playoff would rarely catch all one-loss major conference teams and would never include a minor-confrence undefeated team. I don't think that solves any problems.

Almost all of those one-loss major conference teams either...
1. Lost to one of the top 4 teams
2. Didn't win their conference.

Ergo they don't matter.

The mid-major problem is easy enough to fix by letting them in if they meet certain criteria.

A 16 team tournament would ruin Div1A Football. Folks only watch college basketball during March for a reason, because the rest of the season is virtually meaningless.

A 4-6 team tournmanet is the only one that even has an outside shot of ever being approved. Anything bigger would be too unwieldy & too costly.

 

[Krieg]

Argh.

 

[Dimwhit]

Almost all of those one-loss major conference teams either...
1. Lost to one of the top 4 teams
2. Didn't win their conference.

Ergo they don't matter.

And that's the elitist attitude many people are getting sick of with the BCS.

And so you know, there are currently 7 teams with one or no loses.

Oklahoma (11-0): winning their conference
Ohio State (10-1): currently tied for lead, lost to a team well outside of the top 4 (Wisconsin)
TCU (10-0): currently tied for lead in conference
Miami Ohio (9-1): winning their conference, lost to a team outside of the top 4 (Iowa)
USC (9-1): tied for lead in conference, lost to a team not even ranked (Cal Bears)
LSU (9-1): second place, lost to team ranked outside of top 4 (Florida)
Boise State (9-1): winning conference, lost to unranked team (Oregon State)

So none of the 1-loss teams lost to a team ranked in the top 4, and all but one of them can win their conference.

Ergo they do matter.

 

[Crothian]

A 16 Game tourney wouldn't ruin College Football. There are so many less games in football that a few looses really matter. Plus, there would be so many fewer school. The 65 schools that get in in Basketball makes the reguliar season stink fot BBall.

 

[Crothian]

And it looks like we don't have to worry about TCU crashing the big boys party.

 

[Krieg]

And that's the elitist attitude many people are getting sick of with the BCS.

And so you know, there are currently 7 teams with one or no loses.

Oklahoma (11-0): winning their conference
Ohio State (10-1): currently tied for lead, lost to a team well outside of the top 4 (Wisconsin)
TCU (10-0): currently tied for lead in conference
Miami Ohio (9-1): winning their conference, lost to a team outside of the top 4 (Iowa)
USC (9-1): tied for lead in conference, lost to a team not even ranked (Cal Bears)
LSU (9-1): second place, lost to team ranked outside of top 4 (Florida)
Boise State (9-1): winning conference, lost to unranked team (Oregon State)

So none of the 1-loss teams lost to a team ranked in the top 4, and all but one of them can win their conference.

Ergo they do matter.

Miami & Boise St are non-factors. A mid-major team with one loss isn't going to make it into the picture under any reasonable scenario.

If TCU wins out (I have money saying that they won't), they DO have a beef (although playing the 90th ranked schedule takes away a lot of their ammo).

Essentially that leaves you 4 "major" contendors plus one wild-card (TCU).

In that scenario TCU shouldn't go over a 1 loss LSU team UNLESS the Tigers lose in the SEC championship game.

This year is like every other, when it's all said and done there will not be more than 4-6 teams that should get a legitimate shot at the NC.

A 16 Game tourney wouldn't ruin College Football. There are so many less games in football that a few looses really matter. Plus, there would be so many fewer school. The 65 schools that get in in Basketball makes the reguliar season stink fot BBall.

You have to keep in mind that there are 300+ schools that have Div1A basketball teams, compared to just over 100 in FB. Couple that with the HUGE difference in scholarship players between FB and BB & you have two very different playing fields. While they talk about parity in college football, it's nothing compared to what you find in basketball, especially now that so many players are jumping straight from HS to the NBA.

Even with a 16 team FB tournament you aren't going to see the MAC, Conference USA, WAC, Sunbelt or even the Mountain West get automatic bids. A 3-4 loss WAC champ just isn't going to cut it. The major conferences (Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac 10 & ACC) are still going to rule the roost, which means that 3rd and possibly 4th place teams from those conferences are going to be playing for it all year in and year out. That isn't going to satisfy anyone.

 

[Crothian]

Even with a 16 team FB tournament you aren't going to see the MAC, Conference USA, WAC, Sunbelt or even the Mountain West get automatic bids. A 3-4 loss WAC champ just isn't going to cut it. The major conferences (Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac 10 & ACC) are still going to rule the roost, which means that 3rd and possibly 4th place teams from those conferences are going to be playing for it all year in and year out. That isn't going to satisfy anyone.

A three or four lose champion might not cut it, but a one loss champion or runner up would. This year TCU has one lose, Miami of Ohio has one lose, Bowling green has 2 looses, Utah has two looses, And Boise only has one loose. I think if we ever see a 16 team tourney, we will see more then a few of these smaller conference schools in it.

 

[Krieg]

A three or four lose champion might not cut it, but a one loss champion or runner up would. This year TCU has one lose, Miami of Ohio has one lose, Bowling green has 2 looses, Utah has two looses, And Boise only has one loose. I think if we ever see a 16 team tourney, we will see more then a few of these smaller conference schools in it.

I just don't see the runner-up from a mid major making it regardless of the situation. As much as I love the MAC, Bowling Green, NIU, Miami & Toledo (or any combination of two) aren't going to be invited.

Personally I don't feel that we are at a point where the mid-majors are competitive enough that they should receive automatic bids. Notice the emphasis. I do believe that the mid-majors can compete with the big boys, they're just not yet doing so year in and year out.

Should the mid-majors deserve a shot at the brass ring? Absolutely! But it should be on a case by case basis.

 

[Crothian]

Well, if OSU can't remember how to get off blocks and tackle, this is going to be a very long game....