College Football

[fett527]

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GO BUCKS!!!!!!!

 

[Crothian]

Ya, good game to go to.....

 

[Krieg]

Then drothgery's point is still valid. Being in the ACC and Big East clearly did not kill FSU and Miami's budget and recruiting processes. They were and are premier programs. There is no clear indication that being in the Big East would kill Notre Dame's processes either - if one considers them still alive, that is (which, for the record, I do).

Apples & Oranges. FSU & Miami are located in one of the most fertile areas for football talent in the country. Neither team was worth mentioning before 1980, the reason their success skyrocketed is directly related to population migration within the US. 90% of all college athletes (including football players) stay within 250 miles of their home. Notre Dame is one of the few teams that HAS to recruit nationally. They are absolutely dependent upon TV exposure both financially & athletically.

Actually the entire Michigan athletic department only sees total revenues of around $65 million for 2004. And, after losing money in recent years, the Michigan athletic department is finally expecting to show a little bit of a surplus in 2004: a whole whopping $8 million. And only a $2 million surplus in 2004. I'm curious as to where you found numbers that are so enormously different from the official ones, which can be found here.

Oops, brainfart on my part. The numbers were totals for the 99-03 schools years. Divide by 5 for the an annual average over that time frame.

The numbers came from the Equity in Athletics Disclosure Act summaries from the US Dept of Ed.

Again, speaking for Michigan, which is the school I know best, the implication that an entire University would become financially unstable without its football team is not true.

I never implied that was the case. I merely pointed out that the Big10 would be a better choice for ND financially.

The total University of Michigan annual budget is somewhere around $3.5 or $4 billion. Even if we axed the evil Title IX requirements (which actually hurt women's sports) and assumed that the football team, free of its Title IX chains, could generate the current entire athletic department revenue (not surplus) of $60 million, and then even if we assumed that 100% of that $60 million was pure profit returned to the University to ensure its financial stability - impossible situation, but let's just say - then that still would amount to 1.5% of a 4 billion dollar annual budget. A fiscal blow, to be sure. But nothing to bring on Argentina-like instability.

We aren't talking about now TSUN are we?

Notre Dame's annual operating budget is $650 mil. Their athletic department generates around $47 mil annually (using the total numbers from the original post) and the FB team generates $35 mil of that. Their TV contract with NBC generates around $9 Mil annually, that is almost 20% of the total income of the athletic department and 25% of what the FB team brings in.

 

[Mystery Man]

I really have not heard any good reasons not to have a playoff. A few more weeks of football for a few schools won't interfere with acedemics any mor ethen football does through the season. THe fact that the other college leagues can do a playoff very successfully just helps prove that one is needed and easily doible in 1A. Money is the big reason the bowls are still around, the big bowl games don't want to let go off the big bucks they make.

There are over 200 teams, you still couldn't find a fair way to determine who gets into the playoffs without the whiney cry-baby schools pissing and moaning about how they were screwed over and team so and so has no business in the playoffs etc.

Playoffs are BS, and will change nothing.

 

[drothgery]

There are over 200 teams, you still couldn't find a fair way to determine who gets into the playoffs without the whiney cry-baby schools pissing and moaning about how they were screwed over and team so and so has no business in the playoffs etc.

There are 117 teams in divison I-A (not over 200), but I really don't see how anyone would complain much about the system I proposed up-thread (all 11 conference champs get in, plus 5 at-large teams detrmined by BCS rankings or a basketball-esque selection committee). Any team (except for the handful of I-A independents*) has a clear way to qualify for the playoffs. A very good team that's #2 or #3 in their conference has a real shot, though I don't remember the last time a team won a share of the national title without winning their conference; it was probably the last time Notre Dame did.

Fans of the '#6 at large-team' will complain, but the top ten or so teams will always qualify, and I don't think anyone outside the top ten has a real chance to win in practice. I complained when the NFL's tie-breaking rules kept the Packers out of the playoffs two or three years in a row, but I didn't think they were going to win the Super Bowl those years. Fans of the best teams that miss the NCAA basketball tournament grumble, but no one below an 8-seed has ever won the thing (and anyone below a 4-seed winning the title is a very rare thing).

Playoffs won't hurt academics; my Rat Bastard NCAA football comissioner will ensure that almost all teams play fewer games than they play now, and that the teams in the title game will never play more than 15 games (which some teams have done under the current system). As per above, playoff team selection can be reasonably fair.

* Currently just Notre Dame and Navy, though Temple and Army will be added to the list soon. Temple won't be an independent long; they'll either find a conference or drop I-A football. I expect that Notre Dame would join a conference immediately after my system was implemented; Temple, Army, and Navy would either join conferences or drop to I-AA.

 

[drothgery]

90% of all college athletes (including football players) stay within 250 miles of their home. Notre Dame is one of the few teams that HAS to recruit nationally. They are absolutely dependent upon TV exposure both financially & athletically.

So you're saying that what's really killing Notre Dame football is the rise of Purdue?

 

[Crothian]

There are over 200 teams, you still couldn't find a fair way to determine who gets into the playoffs without the whiney cry-baby schools pissing and moaning about how they were screwed over and team so and so has no business in the playoffs etc.

Playoffs are BS, and will change nothing.

You must not watch the games during bowl system. This goes on now, but not to a degree that you imply. And not having a system just because people would complain is rather stupid.

 

[Mystery Man]

You must not watch the games during bowl system. This goes on now, but not to a degree that you imply. And not having a system just because people would complain is rather stupid.

Yes I watch all the bowl games and yes I know it goes on now. That's my point, nothing will change. Coaches, schools, fans etc will always complain much as they do now not matter what kind of playoff system they create. It will suck just as bad as the bowl system (if you think it sucks) does now.

 

[Mystery Man]

There are 117 teams in divison I-A.
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You're right. Still, way too many to implement any kind of fair playoff system.

 

[Crothian]

You're right. Still, way too many to implement any kind of fair playoff system.

There are more then that in 1A basketball and they have a playoff system.....