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Combat vs knights in full plate

in doing the armored knight vs. modern soldier, it might also be important to consider the kind of movements they are making.

the kind of movement a knight is making in a sword fight is akin to fighting in a boxing or karate match. A lot of moving around, swinging a weapon and blocking. Very aerobic and tiring. I assume if these guys spent all day doing it, they were in better shape than I was when i trained in martial arts.*
*consider that part of my black belt test included sparring everybody in my school in rotation, non-stop for about an hour.

Whereas, the soldier has some body armor, a gun, a belt full of ammo and a heavy backpack. He's probably walking/marching, crouching, laying down and getting up. The act of actual fighting means pulling a trigger, not swinging a 3 pound sword repeatedly at his enemy. He may actually be exerting LESS energy in a firefight than a swordsman.

Additionally, where folks assume wearing armor is such a drag, the weight is spread out and held close to the body. It would feel like a lighter burden, than carrying that weight in a backpack or as furniture to be moved.

there's also the psychological contribution. A guy in armor is going to feel strong and invincible. he is going to move and act as such. this is why football players hit harder today, than in the past. Better protective gear makes them act more aggressively.
 

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It also depends upon the soldier, to a lesser extent. One of my buddies in Ranger training was 5'6", maybe 160lbs. No way anyone would load him down with 130lbs as a standard load.
 

It also depends upon the soldier, to a lesser extent. One of my buddies in Ranger training was 5'6", maybe 160lbs. No way anyone would load him down with 130lbs as a standard load.

Clearly your platoon has less of a sense of humor than mine, which tended to give the heaviest stuff to the smallest guy (and newbies tend to get the SAW to "break them in"). I did several missions carrying both an M60 and the platoon radio. ;)

For a matter of perspective, here was my combat load for short advisory missions in Afghanistan, where my role was only as a staff guy armed for self defense (not door-kicking or actively seeking out contact).

List:
[sblock]Carried:
M4 Carbine with 30 rounds 5.56mm ball, 4x sight, aiming laser

Worn:
Advanced Combat Helmet, Ballistic glasses
Air Crewmen Uniform (nomex, more durable than the regular Army Combat Uniform) with:
- reflective belt (ankle pocket)
- notebook & patrol cap (thigh pocket)
- knife (trouser pocket)
- earplugs (shoulder pocket)
- Ipod (shoulder pocket)
- ID card & wallet (chest pocket)
- Security badge (chest pocket)
- Pens (wrist pocket)
- T-shirt/underwear, socks
- Hot Weather Combat Boots
Thigh holster with M9 9mm pistol and 15 rounds 9mm ball
Improved Outer Tactical Vest (body armor) with:
- Front and rear SAPI plates
- Camelback and 2L water
- Canteen pouch containing gloves, 12x20 binoculars, flashlight, IR strobe
- Improved First Aid Kit
- 3 magazines 5.56mm ball & tracer (90 rounds)
- 2 magazines 9mm ball (30 rounds)
- Grenade pouch with digital camera
- Strap cutter
- Multitool

Assault ruck with:
- Iridium satphone & Battery charger
- Weapon cleaning kit
- Eye drops
- Hand sanitizer
- Shaving kit
- Waterproof bag
- Poncho liner
- Towel
- Combat shirt
- 2x t-shirt, underwear, socks
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That was 60 lbs of gear as measured by the airfield scale, split roughly 45lbs in worn load (worn equipment plus body armor plus weapon) and 15 lbs in the assault ruck. Note that with that load I had no side SAPI, no frags or smokes, no specialty weapons (e.g. M203/M320 and 40mm grenades) and less than a basic load of 5.56mm. This was also a summer load for high altitude, and I shivered at night under my poncho liner.
 

Clearly your platoon has less of a sense of humor than mine...
Whoa, whoah, whoah, whoah, whoaaaahhh!

I must clarify, since I used imprecise language: "My buddy who was in Ranger training..." is what I should have said! I am not a member of the armed forces. I was just an Army brat, and a lot of my friends & family served or are serving now, so I grew up and lived alongside all this stuff.

(BTW, thank you for your service.)
 

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