Complete Adventurer is Rogues/Bards book!

[Najo]

TSR didn't die because they raised prices, try the other way around...

My question, MrFilthyIke, is two-fold. First, do you work for Wizards?Secondly, if you do, then why do the books that are 400+ pages cost $39.99?
I'm sure that they don't cost that much to produce and I know that there isn't some government book tax similar to the tax levied on fuel in the UK that amounts to 75% of total price. I'm not trying to deny WotC a right to profit from their material. But, there comes a point where the cost can become to
prohibitive for some people, say children. And that was ultimately what killed TSR and allowed them to be bought out by Wizards because they didn't pay attention to developing a new consumer base and they became complacent in thinking that they could raise prices and the demand would still be there. I know that it wasn't a drop in creative quality that caused this, because new and wonderful ideas were coming out of that company towards the end of its run. I hope you don't take offense to this, I am just hoping that if you have any link to WotC that you will think about this and maybe suggest to someone to lower prices a tad for the good of all concerned. Then there will be much rejoicing!

No offense intended, but this is completely wrong. First, the reason role playing games don't bring in new players, is because many groups typically only play with their friends and prefer not to play with "younger players". Second, Ryan Dancy wrote specifically about what killed TSR, and it was that their prices were too low and they used to many loss leaders to try and spark interest with new players. What your suggesting IS exactly what killed TSR, putting them millions of dollars into debt. Role playing products are typically behind the current market value for both comparable printed books and consumer value per dollar (in both time and entertainment). Go find any other full color, 300+ page book for 30-40 dollars, most books that are of the quality of WOTCs books should retail between 50-70 dollars.Then take into account the reusability of rpgs, and the $ vs time issue, and rpgs are some of the cheapest entertainment ever!

 

[JoeGKushner]

I like that title, sounds promising. I hope the content will be better than Song and Silence.

I agree with you. I thought that the Complete Bard for 2nd edition was a great bard book but Song and Silence did almost nothing for the bard in my opinion with a heavy focus on the rogue.

 

[Knight Otu]

Thanks for compiling the info, LeapingShark!

I believe Andy Collins hinted at the possibility that Complete Arcana includes the Hexblade again, and if that's true, it would be possible that the Spellthief is both in CA and CV. Besides I have the feeling that Spellthief should sound familiar, but I can't quite say why...

 

[JPL]

Somebody dig up that thread where we were speculating as to the name of this book, because I CALLED IT. BOO-YAH!

 

[JoeBlank]

As others have said, I have high hopes for Complete Adventurer, but the the memories of Song & Silence make me cautious with my optimism. Before 3.0 came out, I was very excited about the bard, and then the execution was lacking a little. Everyone knew the class was underpowered and lacked something, and I was certain the splat book was WotC's big chance to fix it. Alas, no fix and very little of use in S&S.

One of the reasons I find 3.5 to be an improvement over 3.0 is the changes to the bard, making it a much more versatile and fun class. Now, I feel like rogue is lacking a little something. Maybe I am just bored with the limitations of sneak attack, and maybe the rebalancing of the bard and ranger takes a little away from the rogue's skill point advantage. I'm not hoping for more power, just more options to breath some life into rogues, from my personal perspective.

 

[kilamanjaro]

Thanks for compiling the info, LeapingShark!

I believe Andy Collins hinted at the possibility that Complete Arcana includes the Hexblade again, and if that's true, it would be possible that the Spellthief is both in CA and CV. Besides I have the feeling that Spellthief should sound familiar, but I can't quite say why...

Actually, Andy hinted that some of the spells in Complete Arcane would be included on the hexblade spell list, not that the class would be reprinted.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

I think you will set yourself up for disappointment if you think Complete Adventurer is intended to be "the book for Rogues and Bards". Serious disappointment. These Complete books are themed on themes or archetypes, not classes. I wager that Complete Arcane will have a good deal of the bard's arcane abilities in it, as well as arcane themed PrC's that suit the bard better than other classes.

Regards,
Eric Anondson

 

[Knight Otu]

Actually, Andy hinted that some of the spells in Complete Arcane would be included on the hexblade spell list, not that the class would be reprinted.

Hmm, looking at the post now, yes, that's what he did. I only remembered that he posted something regarding Hexblade and CA, and that has turned into my post...

I wager that Complete Arcane will have a good deal of the bard's arcane abilities in it, as well as arcane themed PrC's that suit the bard better than other classes.

That's what I would expect, too. And that there's a "Seeker of the Song" PrC in Complete Arcane seems like a confirmation.

 

[Ferret]

How do you know it's Rogue/Bard? Sorry if I'm being thick but I don't see it anywhere.

 

[Len]

How do you know it's Rogue/Bard? Sorry if I'm being thick but I don't see it anywhere.

"Scout", "Spellthief", "Fochulcan lyrist"... All the Complete Adventurer references on that page seem related to rogues or bards.