Complete Champion excerpts

[MoogleEmpMog]

Heck, by the guidelines, I think its easier to get a wand of cure light wounds than a suit of full plate.

Masterwork full plate - and it's both sensible in-game and realistic historically for essentially *all* full plate to be masterwork - costs more than twice as much as a wand of CLW. The elusive non-masterwork variety costs twice as much.

Both require a community the next size up to get, by RAW.

 

[DreadArchon]

I always forget that there are games where people can basically buy whatever magical items they want/need. My bad.

Indeed, it's the suggested method.

A player points to an item in this book or the Dungeon Master's Guide and asks, "Can I buy this?" The answer should usually be, "Yes."

 

[el-remmen]

That Magic Item Compendium quote makes me shudder. . .

 

[Remathilis]

However, they DIDN'T say how easy it should be, merely possible...

 

[Kae'Yoss]

That Magic Item Compendium quote makes me shudder. . .

What? Afraid the players will free themselves from your cruel claw of tyranny they were trapped under for so long? That they will take up their new-bought +3 transmuting spiked chains with a greater demonslayer crystal on it and their enemy spirit pouch (evil DMs) and fight back?

 

[Razz]

Everything I've read about Prestige Classes in WotC books state that the purpose of Prestige Classes is to provide campaign-specific flavor that the generic core classes don't. The Prestige Class glut resulted from publishers not following this guideline. WotC actually does what it suggests to everyone else and you want them to stop?

To each his own, but put me in the friendly oppostion camp.

Azgulor

I've never wanted my PrC to be campaign-specific unless it was written from a campaign book. If I buy a FR book, then I'll want FR-specific PrC, obviously. I don't want that crap in a generic-flavored book.

Just look at this list:
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fist of the forest - For some among the Guardians of the Green, the pursuit of an animalistic lifestyle is a form of asceticism.
forest reeve - Forest reeves are chosen by Guardians of the Green to patrol local wilderness areas to check for dangers and humanoid activities that could be harmful to the land.
holt warden - Hold wardens are the highest spiritual leaders in the Guardians of the Green.
mythic exemplar - Few are as devoted to history as the Disciples of Legend, and none among that august group are as committed to their paragons as the mythic exemplars.
ordained champion - Steeped in a tradition older than most religions, the ordained champions stride through the chaotic fog of violence and bloodshed.
paragnostic apostle - The paragnostic apostles are the most devoted of the Paragnostic Assembly -- the most erudite of a sect dedicated, mind and soul, to the acquisition of knowledge.
paragnostic initiate - Not all who follow the precepts of the Paragnostic Assembly are spellcasters.
sanctified one - The cleric, the paladin, the priest, and the holy warrior -- all these are classic divine hero archetypes.
shadowspy - Shadowspies are the covert arm of Pelor's Shadow Guard.
shadowstriker - The elite group known as the shadowstrikers is the military arm of Pelor's Shadow Guard.
squire of legend - Not everyone who reveres the Six from Shadow desires to shape her entire life around her chosen paragon.
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Almost all of these PrC I have to spend freaking tons of time and work on to make it more adaptable to my Forgotten Realms campaign. If the PrC were more "generic" like "This PrC specializes in this and that." then it'd be really simple.

Not,"This PrC serves this guy, whose done this, has a host of followers and founded an organization that allows these types to come in and then train these guys to do this blah blah blah"

Unnecessary. Useless. Waste of time.

The adaptation paragraph better do what it's supposed to do...ADAPT it to my Realms game or something

 

[frankthedm]

Sadly, I don't see any support for the shapeshifter variant.

Because material on that varient won't sell books. A Badly needed nerf that pinned back the ears of wildshaping is not going to get a lot of player support.

 

[blargney the second]

A Badly needed nerf that pinned back the ears of wildshaping is not going to get a lot of player support.

Sorry to break the news, but that class variant is all kinds of awesome.
-blarg

 

[frankthedm]

Sorry to break the news, but that class variant is all kinds of awesome.
-blarg

Oh, it is a blast if you like playing a half orc druid from level one. A noticable powerdown if you knew how to [ab]use wilshape and natural spell to stat dump for your 9th level gnome druid.

 

[blargney the second]

A noticable powerdown if you knew how to [ab]use wilshape and natural spell to stat dump for your 9th level gnome druid.

One does not preclude the other - it just takes a different kind of powergaming to get the most out of the new variant. I made a dragonborn goliath druid/fighter/warshaper that made my inner munchkin cringe. Heck, even my outer munchkin was getting in on the cringeful action.
-blarg