D&D 5E Considering Bigby's Big Book of Giants: How much use did you get out of Fizban's Big Book of Dragons?


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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Tasha?

I agree, though given the game's history, it's not a surprise. I hope they are seeding current books with just such lore, so they can do this in the future.
Yeah, she is who I refer to in that post, alongside The Xanathar as the monstrous titular character.

And it’s not like they couldn’t put other characters more and more into adventures and hire someone to write stories about them.

Vi the Inventor Gnome, for instance.

Or the Brimstone Angels tiefling character, or one of FR’s long list of hot adventurous magic users that have dated Elminster, or one or more of the famous female Planeswalkers from MTG.

They don’t have to be rooted in Gygax’s home games to be a titular character.
 

Stormonu

Legend
Bigby’s (weird choice. Is Bigby associated with giants?) I am excited for because giants are fairly interesting, and I’m curious what player options and new giantish stuff they’ll put in. What oddball stuff from D&D’s past will get spruced up for inclusion in the book? How will they tie giants to the larger multiverse, and what left field weirdness will they come up with that splits fans between excitement and rage? 😂
Yeah, the choice of Bigby is frakking weird; I went through the Greyhawk Wiki and the couple Greyhawk adventures he’s mentioned in and there’s nothing tying him to giants (far from it - he’s a spindly little runt). I suspect its based on name recognition and that he has “big” in his name. Otto probably would have been the better choice for dissertations on giants. Or better yet, Elminster and his old “Ecology of” books.

I’m almost hoping there’s some sort of back and forth between Mordenkainen (Gary’s other character, and who charmed & reformed Bigby), Bigby and Rary (the traitor, who turned on the circle of 8 and almost killed Bigby in the process) in the book, though over what, I can’t imagine, but it’d be entertaining commentary.
 


Whizbang Dustyboots

100% that gnome
Thinking about this more, I probably will pick up the player-facing elements piecemeal on D&D Beyond, as I've long pondered playing a half-ogre who's the runt of a warband and abused by everyone else, from the hill giants on down. I suspect the player-facing content and the Tasha's custom lineage rules will enable to make a character like that, especially one who found shelter in an abandoned stone giant lair and learned their rune lore there.

That said, as a DM, which I do 99% of the time, it's going to have to be pretty compelling for me to want to pick up to use in a game, since they've all got themes and content reasonably well locked down, and giants aren't a part of any of them now.
 



TravDoc42

Villager
I am genuinely curious how they could make a full book solely about giants. Are there that many giants that haven't been brought forward yet? Is there a bunch of giant lore that I'm missing?
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I am genuinely curious how they could make a full book solely about giants. Are there that many giants that haven't been brought forward yet? Is there a bunch of giant lore that I'm missing?
I mean, they can always make up more. But look at what they did with Dragons in Fizban's, it's easy enough to imagine replicating the table, lairs, etc. but now with giants.
 

TravDoc42

Villager
I mean, they can always make up more. But look at what they did with Dragons in Fizban's, it's easy enough to imagine replicating the table, lairs, etc. but now with giants.
This is true! There are a lot fewer giant types than dragon types, but I'm sure they could come up with some neat new ideas! I know the voadkyn/Wood giants could be brought back, possibly.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
This is true! There are a lot fewer giant types than dragon types, but I'm sure they could come up with some neat new ideas! I know the voadkyn/Wood giants could be brought back, possibly.
Someone did the math on it a bit ago, and just focusing ok kinds of Fiants already in 5E it comes to 15 groups.include all the older Edition oddball variants, make up a couple...very doable! Partilots of info to play them as NPCs.
 

TravDoc42

Villager
Someone did the math on it a bit ago, and just focusing ok kinds of Fiants already in 5E it comes to 15 groups.include all the older Edition oddball variants, make up a couple...very doable! Partilots of info to play them as NPCs.
I guess I kinda forgot about giant-kin like ogres, trolls, and oni! Whoops!
Interesting to see if they'll flesh out the verbeeg more from their appearance in Icewind Dale: Rime of the Frostmaiden, that would be cool to see!
 

Someone did the math on it a bit ago, and just focusing ok kinds of Fiants already in 5E it comes to 15 groups.include all the older Edition oddball variants, make up a couple...very doable! Partilots of info to play them as NPCs.
That was me over on another thread.

6 classic giant types: hill, stone, frost, fire, cloud, and storm.

6 giant-kin: cyclops, ettin, fomorian, verbeeg; plus the PC race giant-kin races: firbolg and goliath.

3 giant-adjacent creatures: ogre, oni, troll

That's 15 already in 5e products. That's probably enough to carry a book on their own if they wanted, but assuming they want to get up to 20 like Fizban's, it will be simple to update older edition giants like voadkyn, fog giants, mountain giants, and so on.
 
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Whizbang Dustyboots

100% that gnome
That was me over on another thread.

6 classic giant types: hill, stone, frost, fire, cloud, and storm.

6 giant-kin: cyclops, ettin, fomorian, verbeeg; plus the PC race giant-kin races: firbolg and goliath.

3 giant-adjacent creatures: ogre, oni, troll

That's 15 already in 5e products. That's probably enough to carry a book on their own if they wanted, but assuming they want to get up to 20 like Fizban's, it will be simple to update older edition giants like voadkyn, fog giants, mountain giants, and so on.
Fog giants are in Mordenkainen's Fiendish Folio Volume 1.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
That was me over on another thread.

6 classic giant types: hill, stone, frost, fire, cloud, and storm.

6 giant-kin: cyclops, ettin, fomorian, verbeeg; plus the PC race giant-kin races: firbolg and goliath.

3 giant-adjacent creatures: ogre, oni, troll

That's 15 already in 5e products. That's probably enough to carry a book on their own if they wanted, but assuming they want to get up to 20 like Fizban's, it will be simple to update older edition giants like voadkyn, fog giants, mountain giants, and so on.
You were my primary suspect, but I wasn't sure!

I think Orcs are another strong possibility: they are historically linked to Giants in D&D, and Ettins particularly, so this seems an opportunity to give them a new story.

Playable Large Races would be cool, but we'll see...
 
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Parmandur

Book-Friend
That was me over on another thread.

6 classic giant types: hill, stone, frost, fire, cloud, and storm.

6 giant-kin: cyclops, ettin, fomorian, verbeeg; plus the PC race giant-kin races: firbolg and goliath.

3 giant-adjacent creatures: ogre, oni, troll

That's 15 already in 5e products. That's probably enough to carry a book on their own if they wanted, but assuming they want to get up to 20 like Fizban's, it will be simple to update older edition giants like voadkyn, fog giants, mountain giants, and so on.
Oh, another 5E Giant in print: the Mercane in Spelljammer, which plays into Doomspace, which has Dawn War references to the Primordials as well.

Going into the details of the Dawn War in the Furst World seems like plausible material here.
 


Oh, another 5E Giant in print: the Mercane in Spelljammer, which plays into Doomspace, which has Dawn War references to the Primordials as well.

Going into the details of the Dawn War in the Furst World seems like plausible material here.
Mercane would be interesting to add, to say the least. Getting them into the established giant lore will take a bit of work. I doubt they'll mess with giant lore too much, other than linking in the First World story from Fizban's. No doubt that will go, in short, "dragons bad, giants good"...
 

Stormonu

Legend
Y'now, with all the "Medium or Small" race choices, if they put out a giant book and don't put in a playable race that's Large, I'm calling shenanigans.
 


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