Converting Creatures from Other Campaign Settings

[Shade]

No thanks. (Sorry, it's complicated enough without dragging a hazard into the mix).

We desperately need Demiurge to weigh in on this. He always seems to find the simple and elegant among the overly complex.

 

[freyar]

Oof, I'm with Shade.

Ok, I think this is going to be messy, but I have a proposed plan.

1) Write a gaseous or incorporeal monster (at this point, I'm ceasing to care which ) with an infusion special attack and phylactery type object (though why a golem would need a phylactery is beyond me, what a weird monster!). Am I missing any special ability here?

2) After infusion, rather than a modified alternate form/change shape, apply a template to the character "infused" to create a duplicate. This should have a "Con countdown" SQ. I vote that the "blood drain" or whatever it should be called should be a touch attack with a "do not notice" ability. We can flavor it to be incorporeality, but make it a normal touch attack mechanically.

Sound ok?

 

[Shade]

Yeah, that could work. A bit like the raggamoffyn, the only other construct I'm aware of that bestows a template upon other creatures.

 

[freyar]

To be honest, the raggamoffyn probably didn't need the template as much as this one does...

 

[Cleon]

Oof, I'm with Shade.

Ok, I think this is going to be messy, but I have a proposed plan.

1) Write a gaseous or incorporeal monster (at this point, I'm ceasing to care which ) with an infusion special attack and phylactery type object (though why a golem would need a phylactery is beyond me, what a weird monster!). Am I missing any special ability here?

2) After infusion, rather than a modified alternate form/change shape, apply a template to the character "infused" to create a duplicate. This should have a "Con countdown" SQ. I vote that the "blood drain" or whatever it should be called should be a touch attack with a "do not notice" ability. We can flavor it to be incorporeality, but make it a normal touch attack mechanically.

Sound ok?

I was thinking a hazard is far simpler than a monster. The "disembodied" transient golem basically doesn't have abilities apart from a fly speed and an Infusion attack, so why bother statting up the rest of it?

Making its "embodied" form a template seems the best approach.

 

[freyar]

The disembodied base form should definitely have hp, mental abilities, etc. As for hazards, somehow they seem more iffy to me just because they're nonstandardized. And they are usually immobile, which would be tricky for this one.

 

[Shade]

Agreed. It also makes for tricky CRs.

 

[Cleon]

The disembodied base form should definitely have hp, mental abilities, etc. As for hazards, somehow they seem more iffy to me just because they're nonstandardized. And they are usually immobile, which would be tricky for this one.

These blinking things are pretty iffy and nonstandardized, so that doesn't bother me much. Going by the description a transient golem might not even have mental abilities when it isn't embodied as a creature!

But if you both prefer it as an incorporeal beastie I suppose I'll go along.

Shall we use the 13 HD Incorporeal Construct with 16-17 ability scores I proposed earlier as a baseline?

Medium sized?

 

[freyar]

13HD, Medium seems fair enough. And those abilities work for me, at least to try it out. I'm not sure about much with this critter!

 

[Cleon]

13HD, Medium seems fair enough. And those abilities work for me, at least to try it out. I'm not sure about much with this critter!

So we're talking:

Medium Construct (Incorporeal)
Hit Dice: 13d10+20 (91 hp)
Initiative: +3
Speed: fly 10 ft. (perfect)
Armor Class: ? (+3 Dex, ?), touch ?, flat-footed ?
Base Attack/Grapple: +6/+9
Attack: Incorporeal touch +10 touch (infusion)
Full Attack: Incorporeal touch +10 touch (infusion)
Space/Reach: 5 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Infusion
Special Qualities: Construct traits, immunity to magic, rejuvenation
Saves: Fort +4, Ref +7, Will +7
Abilities: Str —, Dex 17, Con —, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16
Skills: 32 - Hide?
Feats: 5 - Track [for finding victims], Ability Focus (infusion) and Weapon Focus (incorporeal touch) [for attacking them], Iron Will and Lightning Reflexes [for resisting counter-attacks]?