Converting Creatures from Other Campaign Settings

[Cleon]

Climb, Concentration, Know (geography), Know (nature), Listen, Move Silently, Spot, Survival, Swim?

Those look fine.

Cleave, Improved Initiative, Improved Sunder, Power Attack?

 

[freyar]

Since he went with the archery combat style for the ranger, why not add PBS and maybe Precise Shot? I'd drop Imp Sunder (since he uses claws for melee, that seems a little funny) and I guess Cleave.

Also, noticed a typo in the icebow: "An ice fiend can create another ice fiend as a swift action." I don't think that's what we meant.

 

[Shade]

Skills look great! Updated.

As for feats, it gains more with its different forms, so we could use all of those, although I agree with freyar's assessment that Improved Sunder feels a bit off without a melee weapon. How about...

10 HD: Cleave, Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B)

15 HD: Cleave, Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B), Weapon Focus (longbow)

20 HD: Cleave, Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Critical (longbow), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B), Weapon Focus (longbow)

Also, noticed a typo in the icebow: "An ice fiend can create another ice fiend as a swift action." I don't think that's what we meant.

That might be a bit overpowering. Fun, but overpowering.

 

[freyar]

I could go with those feats. Looks good to me.

 

[Shade]

Cleon, your thoughts?

 

[Cleon]

Cleon, your thoughts?

How about "If the icebow is separated from the ice fiend in any manner, it immediately melts into a puddle of water." instead of "vanishes"?

Skills look great! Updated.

They look fine apart from Swim - wouldn't it prefer water that's frozen, being an ice fiend?

Maybe swap Swim for Intimidation?

As for feats, it gains more with its different forms, so we could use all of those, although I agree with freyar's assessment that Improved Sunder feels a bit off without a melee weapon. How about...

10 HD: Cleave, Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B)

15 HD: Cleave, Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B), Weapon Focus (longbow)

20 HD: Cleave, Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Critical (longbow), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B), Weapon Focus (longbow)

The original monster was a combat Fiend and the Icebow is entirely our own invention, so I think it needs more in the way of melee feats.

That might be a bit overpowering. Fun, but overpowering.

Spoilsport.

 

[freyar]

They don't really specify how he fought in the 2e monster, so I'm happy enough going with the feats as they are.

Actually, Im' a bit confused. How does he get Cleave without Power Attack? Swap Cleave to Power Attack, and I could see dropping Imp Crit (longbow) for Cleave or some other feat in the PA tree if you really insist.

 

[Cleon]

They don't really specify how he fought in the 2e monster, so I'm happy enough going with the feats as they are.

It says he/it uses claws and teeth doesn't it? That implies melee-supporting feats.

Actually, Im' a bit confused. How does he get Cleave without Power

Attack? Swap Cleave to Power Attack, and I could see dropping Imp Crit (longbow) for Cleave or some other feat in the PA tree if you really insist.

Swapping Cleave for Power Attack certainly seems necessary.

I'd swap the Precise Shot for Cleave. The -4 penalty to firing into melee only applies when making a ranged attack "at a target engaged in melee with a friendly character". There's no mention of the Ice Fiend having friends, so what use is Precise Shot?

That would make it:

10 HD: Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Power Attack, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B)

15 HD: Cleave, Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Power Attack, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B), Weapon Focus (longbow)

20 HD: Cleave, Endurance (B), Improved Critical (claw), Improved Critical (longbow), Improved Initiative, Manyshot (B), Point Blank Shot, Power Attack, Rapid Shot (B), Track (B), Weapon Focus (longbow)

 

[Shade]

Intimidate and the revised feats are acceptable.

Updated.

 

[Cleon]

Intimidate and the revised feats are acceptable.

Updated.

Since the original monster's unique, shouldn't it be "the ice fiend" in the power descriptions?