Converting Epic Level Creatures

[Cleon]

As you like... It doesn't matter too much if we're entirely consistent with the SRD, since it's not entirely consistent itself.

It's consistent with the 3E Beholder which is good enough for me, even though that's not in the SRD.

Updating the Ythog-Nthlei Working Draft.

Incidentally, the attack lines I quoted in post #673 were based on Ythog from before we increased his size to Gargantuan. The Dark King's actual attack numbers are 2 points lower, e.g.:

Attack: Blacklight mace +40 melee (4d6+26) and eyebeam +18 ranged touch (1d4+1 Str); or bite +35 melee (3d6+15 plus venom) and eyebeam +18 ranged touch (1d4+1 Str); or 4 eyebeams +23 ranged touch (1d4+1 Str)
Full Attack: Blacklight mace 40/+35/+30/+25 melee (4d6+26) and bite +30 melee (3d6+8 plus venom) and eyebeam +18 ranged touch (1d4+1 Str); or 4 eyebeams +23 ranged touch (1d4+1 Str)

 

[Cleon]

Updating the Ythog-Nthlei Working Draft.

The Eyebeams still have an X for range. What do you fancy? Is the previously suggested 300 ft. OK?

 

[Nookie]

300 works for epic imo.

 

[freyar]

Works for me, too.

 

[freyar]

Did we ever decide whether 1 eyebeam is a free or swift action? I think I'd go with swift.

Ready for the venom?

 

[Cleon]

300 works for epic imo.

Works for me, too.

Seems we're agreed.

Did we ever decide whether 1 eyebeam is a free or swift action? I think I'd go with swift.

We didn't decide, but I was thinking we'd likely end up using Swift.

Updating the Ythog-Nthlei Working Draft.

Ready for the venom?

Sure.

 

[freyar]

Venom (Ex or Su???): Any creature that takes damage from Ythog-Nthlei's bite attack must make a DC X Fortitude (or Will??) save or become dominated by Ythog-Nthlei for X hours, as the spell. The save DC is Charisma-based.

That's my proposal, though I'd swap Cha-based to Con-based if we go for Ex. I also think domination is the right way to go here.

 

[Nookie]

should it be 1dX round of domination for primart and secondary? or should it just be X rounds?

 

[Cleon]

Venom (Ex or Su???): Any creature that takes damage from Ythog-Nthlei's bite attack must make a DC X Fortitude (or Will??) save or become dominated by Ythog-Nthlei for X hours, as the spell. The save DC is Charisma-based.

That's my proposal, though I'd swap Cha-based to Con-based if we go for Ex. I also think domination is the right way to go here.

I'd make it a Cha-based (Su) effect myself, since it's a charm effect.

It does consistently describe it as a "poison" though, so we should do something with that - maybe have it affect creatures that are immune to mind-affecting powers but affected by poison, but not vica-versa?

Also, the original duration of 1-10 turns is 10-100 rounds, so a duration of "hours" is a lot longer than is strictly necessary. We could go for 1-10 minutes if we wanted to. Plenty long enough for most fights in 3E.

 

[Cleon]

should it be 1dX round of domination for primart and secondary? or should it just be X rounds?

We don't have to make it Primary & Secondary like a regular poison if we don't have to.

What are we calling it by the way? "Enslaving Venom"?