Converting Forgotten Realms monsters

[Cleon]

You have a "lich" under the "Spells" entry. Actually, do they really need a Spells entry? Vampires don't have them, for example.

Silent Spell would be fun, but it would partly defeat the purpose of the Mute SQ. I think, since they're not primarily spellcasters, I'd let individual shadowrath's choose.

The Silent Spell feat would be very useful (although Automatic Silent Spell would be even more useful...) However, while the text says they retain their original Intelligence it makes no mention of them retaining spellcasting ability. An inability to use Verbal component spells would go a long way to explaining that!

So, I agree to no bonus Silent Spell.

 

[Shade]

Fair enough. I'll drop the Spells SQ and ditch the notion of Silent Spell.

 

[freyar]

Well, I'd say they can keep their casting ability, but it will definitely limit their spells. Anyway, seems like we're all agreed.

What do they need next?

 

[Cleon]

Well, I'd say they can keep their casting ability, but it will definitely limit their spells. Anyway, seems like we're all agreed.

What do they need next?

I'm in favour of them keeping the base creature's spellcasting, they just can't use it without Silent Spell.

 

[freyar]

Well, they can use spells without verbal components, too. But we're agreed. Actually, I just noticed the line "As with lesser shadowraths, all magical or psionic abilities of the shadowrath’s previous existence are lost as undead." Do you think we need to drop casting explicitly? I don't really like it, but it seems pretty clear.

 

[Shade]

Well, they can use spells without verbal components, too. But we're agreed. Actually, I just noticed the line "As with lesser shadowraths, all magical or psionic abilities of the shadowrath’s previous existence are lost as undead." Do you think we need to drop casting explicitly? I don't really like it, but it seems pretty clear.

Hmm...it is rather explicit, but i'm willing to waive it if the rest of you are.

 

[Cleon]

Well, they can use spells without verbal components, too. But we're agreed. Actually, I just noticed the line "As with lesser shadowraths, all magical or psionic abilities of the shadowrath’s previous existence are lost as undead." Do you think we need to drop casting explicitly? I don't really like it, but it seems pretty clear.

Dang it, how did we miss that.

That means it should be something like "a greater shadowrath loses all of the base creature's supernatural and spell-like special abilities."

 

[freyar]

Hmmm, but keeps class-based casting? (Since it has the base creature's intelligence.) I could go for that.

 

[Cleon]

Hmmm, but keeps class-based casting? (Since it has the base creature's intelligence.) I could go for that.

I meant to include spellcasting in the list of lost abilities, but it didn't end up quite right.

How about "A greater shadowrath retains the base creature's extraordinary special attacks and loses all the base creature's other special attacks."?

 

[Shade]

I meant to include spellcasting in the list of lost abilities, but it didn't end up quite right.

How about "A greater shadowrath retains the base creature's extraordinary special attacks and loses all the base creature's other special attacks."?

That would effectively remove turn undead, which would prove problematic with their ties to negative energy.

I'm fine with that.