Converting original D&D and Mystara monsters

[Cleon]

Probably true.

Updated.

Maybe it can only Trample other Incorporeal creatures?

All spooks fear the tread of Mega-Spectre the Ghost-Crusher.

I was unable to find any precedents for improving existing deflection bonuses. Shall we add a column to Cleon's table? Maybe deflection bonus improves by the same amount as its size modifier?

We could add a column but it's already getting a hefty boost from the higher Charisma and Dexterity.

Speaking of which, I'm getting concerned about the higher Charisma. If the gargantua has Cha-based SAs as lots of incorporeal Undead do - or if it has a sorcerer casting - it could easily throw off the creature's CR balance.

Maybe we should give it a deflection bonus column and cut the Charisma bonus?

 

[Mortis]

Maybe we should give it a deflection bonus column and cut the Charisma bonus?

By 'cut' do you mean reduce or completely get rid of?

I could agree with the first but not with the second option.

Regards
Mortis

 

[freyar]

Think I'm with Mortis here.

 

[Shade]

Thirded.

 

[Cleon]

By 'cut' do you mean reduce or completely get rid of?

I could agree with the first but not with the second option.

Regards
Mortis

Actually I hadn't quite decided, but was leaning toward a lower Cha bonus rather than no Cha bonus.

 

[Mortis]

Actually I hadn't quite decided, but was leaning toward a lower Cha bonus rather than no Cha bonus.

How about half the Con bonus to Cha?

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Another thought - instead of the Improved Deflection ability how about something like:

Intangibility: The essence of an incorporeal Mystaran gargantuan is more diffuse than normal incorporeals. This results in a miss chance of 75% rather than the standard 50%

Mortis

 

[Cleon]

How about half the Con bonus to Cha?

So +4 for Fine to Small, +6 for Medium or bigger base creatures?

<edit>
Another thought - instead of the Improved Deflection ability how about something like:

Intangibility: The essence of an incorporeal Mystaran gargantuan is more diffuse than normal incorporeals. This results in a miss chance of 75% rather than the standard 50%

Mortis

Now that's an interesting idea.

Hmm, I think I prefer an increased deflection bonus.

Intangibility would be of no use againsy an opponent with force or ghost touch attacks, and the eightfold HD follows the normal HD advancement, suggesting they have a normal density of "ghost stuff" rather than being more diffuse.

 

[freyar]

Half the Con bonus works for me.

I'd lean toward increasing the deflection bonus as well. Could just go with 2xCha modifier.

 

[Cleon]

Half the Con bonus works for me.

I'd lean toward increasing the deflection bonus as well. Could just go with 2xCha modifier.

That'd work for me, although I'd like to run some samples to see how the AC plays out.

We have still got some work to do on the regular template.

1) We're allowing "Epic Upgrade" of the base creature's feats (e.g. Epic Reflexes instead of Lightning Reflexes".

Feats: A Mystaran gargantua retains the feats of the base creature and gains addition feats according to its increased hit dice. If it gains Epic Feats, it can substitute Epic equivalents of the base creature's feats instead of retaining the base creature's feats (e.g. it could get Epic Toughness instead of Toughness, or Epic Skill Focus (Listen) and Epic Skill Focus (Spot) instead of Alertness).

In addition, it gains Snatch as a bonus feat. If the Mystaran gargantua has a fly speed it also gains Hover as a bonus feat.
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2) We still need to modify the Challenge Rating table. It might make sense to finish the incorporeal and undead samples before we start on that.

 

[Shade]

Half the Con bonus works for me.

I'd lean toward increasing the deflection bonus as well. Could just go with 2xCha modifier.

That works for me!

We have still got some work to do on the regular template.

1) We're allowing "Epic Upgrade" of the base creature's feats (e.g. Epic Reflexes instead of Lightning Reflexes".

In addition, it gains Snatch as a bonus feat. If the Mystaran gargantua has a fly speed it also gains Hover as a bonus feat.

I'll add all that.

2) We still need to modify the Challenge Rating table. It might make sense to finish the incorporeal and undead samples before we start on that.

Yeah, lets work those first.