Converting prehistoric creatures

[Leopold]

Updated.

Trample damage = gore damage like the elephant?

CR 5? It's essentially a deadlier rhino.

Environment: Warm forests and marshes?

Organization: Solitary or herd (2–12)?

Advancement: 10–12 HD (Large); 13–27 HD (Huge)?

Trample: Yes like the elephant

CR: 5 seems about right. It's not that much of an upgrade to a rhino
Enviornment: Warm Plains
Organization: Solitary and Herd like a rhino
Advancement: 10-14, 15-27.

Imagine a 28HD version of these beast..my god.

 

[freyar]

That all sounds about right.

 

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

Back on the topic of Arsinoitherium's eyesight, I could've sworn that Walking with Beasts or one of the BBC's other shows touched on its poor forward vision. I'm not saying that we strip any bonuses from anything, I'm just suggesting that we could reflect this for Arsinoitherium by not giving it a very good Spot skill and by giving it resistance to gaze attacks.

Besides, if you look at a deer's face, you can see both of its eyes. If you look at Arsinoitherium's face, you can't.

Edit: Actually the show was Chased by Sea Monsters.

 

[demiurge1138]

CR 5. And warm forests and marshes is correct--the environment in which it is found is now plains, but was then more akin to a mangrove forest.

 

[Shade]

Updated.

Suggested weight? Per the rhinoceros entry, "The statistics presented here are based on the African black rhino, which is 6 to 14 feet long, 3 to 6 feet high at the shoulder, and weighs up to 6,000 pounds."

 

[Leopold]

From wikipedia:
Arsinoitherium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When alive, it would have superficially resembled a rhinoceros, and have been about 1.8 metres (5.9 ft) tall at the shoulders, and 3 metres (9.8 ft) long.

Let's make it a bit smaller and bit shorter rhino: 5-10ft long , 3-6ft high, and 5000lbs

 

[freyar]

5000 lb is ok by me. And I think it's looking ok.

 

[InsanePsychoRabbit]

Is anybody going to take me up on the 'resistance to gaze attacks' suggestion? I've pulled out my Chased by Sea Monsters book and it says "The position of the horns meant that Arsinoitherium was unable to see straight in front of it" and "The position of the male arsinoitherium's horns meant that it could only see what's in front of it by cocking its head." I think that should count for something, even if it's only a reference in the flavor text.

 

[demiurge1138]

So it may have had a blind spot. So do we. Ungulates have eyes set on the sides of their heads, giving them 270 degrees of vision, but horses don't have the all around vision SQ, do they?

 

[RavinRay]

So, a creature with a gaze attack such as a medusa that attempts to petrify the beast will fail if the gazing at it head on, because the arsinoithere won't meet its eyes. It will have to cock its head, as ISR indicates, to see the creature, if it wants to. Behaviorally, should it do so, in order to get a clearer view? It takes eye contact with only one eye for a gaze attack to succeed, right?