Converting Psionic Creatures

[Cleon]

I can give you a dozen reasons why I support this.

Let's do it for the dodecohedrons then!

 

[Shade]

Added the swarm basics to Homebrews.

Shall we summarize our infestation revision?

 

[Cleon]

Added the swarm basics to Homebrews.

The BAB should be +6, not +1.

Shall we summarize our infestation revision?

Be my guest.

I'm still not sure what to do about the original leech's Attach SA, assuming we don't just drop it. How about considering it entanglement until the victim or an ally can brush them off with a Reflex save? (e.g. half speed, cannot run or charge, -2 attack rolls, -4 to Dexterity, Concentration check to cast spells)

 

[freyar]

Something like the following? I don't like entanglement, I just want 1d12 leeches to stick:

Infestation (Ex): Any living creature that takes damage from a psionic leech swarm might also be infested with 1d12 leeches each round. A creature must make a successful DC X Reflex save to dodge the swarming leeches or bat them aside. The leech infesting the victim attaches itself to clothing or skin and can drain power points. An infested creature is drained of X power points...

 

[Shade]

Something like the following? I don't like entanglement, I just want 1d12 leeches to stick:

Infestation (Ex): Any living creature that takes damage from a psionic leech swarm might also be infested with 1d12 leeches each round. A creature must make a successful DC X Reflex save to dodge the swarming leeches or bat them aside. The leech infesting the victim attaches itself to clothing or skin and can drain power points. An infested creature is drained of X power points...

Agreed. If we give 'em entanglement, we should also give it to the leech swarm, viper swarm, etc. Infestation looks pretty good. Couldn't we just simplify it to "Each leech infesting the victim is considered attached to the victim"? At that point, we're dealing with individual leeches rather than a swarm.

 

[Cleon]

Agreed. If we give 'em entanglement, we should also give it to the leech swarm, viper swarm, etc. Infestation looks pretty good. Couldn't we just simplify it to "Each leech infesting the victim is considered attached to the victim"? At that point, we're dealing with individual leeches rather than a swarm.

Well Tiny Snakes don't have an Attach special attack, so I woulnd't think that would be necessary.

Anyhow, I don't mind dropping the entanglement.

The outline looks a good start, allthough I prefer "brush them off" over "bat them aside".

How's this.

Infestation (Ex): Any living creature that takes damage from a psionic leech swarm risks being infested by the leeches. Every round, the creature must make a DC X Reflex save or have 1d12 psionic leeches attach themselves to the creature's body, if the Reflex save succeeds the creature negates the infestation by dodging the swarming leeches or brushing them off before they attach. Attached leeches drain the creature's psionic power points as individual monsters, these drained points are in addition to those drained by the swarm's attacks. The save DC is Reflex-based and includes a +Y racial bonus [?].

 

[Shade]

I don't think its necessary to mention the power point drain, since the individual leeches have specific rules for how that work.

 

[Cleon]

I don't think its necessary to mention the power point drain, since the individual leeches have specific rules for how that work.

I'd rather make it explicit, if only to remind the DM that the individual leeches will be draining the victim of PPPs.

How's this?

Infestation (Ex): Any living creature that takes damage from a psionic leech swarm risks being infested by the leeches. Every round, the creature must make a DC 16 Reflex save or have 1d12 psionic leeches attach themselves to the creature's body and start draining psionic power points, these individual leeches will still be attached if the creature leaves a square occupied by the leech swarm. If the Reflex save succeeds, the creature negates that round's infestation by dodging the swarming leeches or brushing them off before they attach themselves. The save DC is Dexterity-based and includes a +2 racial bonus [?].

Oh, by the way, I included a racial bonus to the DC because I reckon the individual leeches +12 racial bonus to Grapple implies they should have a racial bonus to Infestation too.

 

[Shade]

The racial bonus is fine. I still think mentioning the power point drain just makes it more complex and confusing. Let's get freyar's thoughts.

 

[Cleon]

The racial bonus is fine. I still think mentioning the power point drain just makes it more complex and confusing. Let's get freyar's thoughts.

Have you perfected that Freyar's Thoughts Extractor, then?

*Ahem*

Anyhow, don't we need to say the individual leeches attack in addition to the swarm's attacks?