Cost to add +1 ability to Specific Weapon

[gnfnrf]

That's nearly 3000gp cheaper than a non-relic +1 Keen Adamantine Waraxe...

But it's a flat cost -3000 gp.

I don't know if the item is priced appropriately. And right now, I don't care. I do know that when explaining how to upgrade it, the item price isn't even mentioned. The wackiness of relicosity is irrelevent to the calculation. Just like any specific weapon properties would be.

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gnfnrf

 

[Hypersmurf]

I don't know if the item is priced appropriately. And right now, I don't care. I do know that when explaining how to upgrade it, the item price isn't even mentioned. The wackiness of relicosity is irrelevent to the calculation. Just like any specific weapon properties would be.

Well, if all those powers had an MPM, it would obviously be less than zero!

Find us an example of a specific weapon that costs more than the 'base' weapon being upgraded.

-Hyp.

 

[gnfnrf]

Well, if all those powers had an MPM, it would obviously be less than zero!

Find us an example of a specific weapon that costs more than the 'base' weapon being upgraded.

But they only give one example in MIC. Why? Because, as they say, all items work in exactly the same way.

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gnfnrf

 

[Hypersmurf]

But they only give one example in MIC. Why? Because, as they say, all items work in exactly the same way.

Relics obviously don't - the item costs less than it should!

And if it's cheaper because it's restricted to certain alignments, that should result in a percentage reduction, which would mean that the 10,000gp difference should also be reduced by the same percentage.

The Axe of Ancestral Virtue isn't a helpful example.

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

The Axe of Ancestral Virtue isn't a helpful example.

Yes it is.

 

[Twowolves]

Why not just make up some comprimise formula that is reasonable?

If a +1 crystal echoblade is 2000gp more than a +1 longsword, and a flat +2000gp seems too little, how about this: the cost of the "echoblade" part is 2000 X (enhancement bonus equivalent). Thus adding the Flaming property to a +1 crystal echoblade would cost the same as a +2 weapon +4000gp.

 

[gnfnrf]

Relics obviously don't - the item costs less than it should!

I should have said "Upgrading all items works in exactly the same way."

And if it's cheaper because it's restricted to certain alignments, that should result in a percentage reduction, which would mean that the 10,000gp difference should also be reduced by the same percentage.

And yet, it is not.

The Axe of Ancestral Virtue isn't a helpful example.

I find it to be so. Despite how wierd its pricing is, and that the base item is restricted, plus it has funky abilities that cost spell slots or feats, it is upgraded as if it were a perfectly normal +1 keen adamantine dwarven waraxe. With the note that every weapon works this way. Compared to that, the crystal echoblade is downright boring. What possible complexity could upgrading it have, if the axe of ancestral virtue is so simple?

But, you clearly don't see it that way, and, unless you think there is further useful progress to be made in the discussion, I'll try to leave it at that.

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gnfnrf

 

[BASHMAN]

I know for a fact that you can add things to specific items, because in the Magic Item Compendium, there IS a specific item that says something to the effect that "if x ability is added to this item, z will happen". That sentence would not exist if you could not add abilities to existing items.

Now, I am not about to go and plow through the entire Magic Items Compendium to look this up and site a page number, but there are many of you out there who will. I believe it is a weapon, but it could be an armor. I do remember reading this earlier today, though and thinking "hey, I should mention this in that thread on enworld." I guess I should have bookmarked it.

Oh, well.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I should have said "Upgrading all items works in exactly the same way."

So is a Holy Avenger a +2 cold iron longsword with a +110,000 flat cost, or a +5 holy cold iron longsword with a +20,000 flat cost?

Is a Dwarven Thrower a +2 warhammer with a +22,000 flat cost, or a +3 Returning warhammer with a -2,000 flat cost?

-Hyp.

 

[hong]

So is a Holy Avenger a +2 cold iron longsword with a +110,000 flat cost, or a +5 holy cold iron longsword with a +20,000 flat cost?

Is a Dwarven Thrower a +2 warhammer with a +22,000 flat cost, or a +3 Returning warhammer with a -2,000 flat cost?

Regardless, a crystal echoblade is a +1 longsword with a +2000 flat cost.