Could Rituals cover Skills?

[ideasmith]

But the problem is that this would mean that in order to say sing or make a dress, you'd either need to be a wizard or cleric or have some other feat or ability that gives you magic ritual training.

Is it established that all rituals require magic ritual training to use? Rather than just all magic rituals?

If so, do you have a link?

 

[FadedC]

If so, do you have a link?

http://picasaweb.google.com/gertiebarden/4eCharacterSheets/photo#5172236844520651778

Look up the wizard and cleric and note they are the only class with the "use ritual" ability. Nothing about the ability suggests it only applies to magical rituals. There has also never been any mention of a non magical ritual in all the talk of rituals (which of course doesn't prove their lack of existance, but combined with the wizard and cleric thing makes it very unlikely in my opinion).

 

[Fallen Seraph]

The fact that out of all the pregen characters, only the wizard and the cleric have the ability to cast rituals. So if rituals including singing or crafting then only wizards and clerics would be able to do that (barring special feats).

Right these are pre-gen, all that means is that they persued that, for all we know "Ritual Casting" is a magical-option and there is a mundane option as well that simply wasn't pursued by the other characters.

Or perhaps all it means is that, Magic characters are better at casting rituals, but that wouldn't disallow others from using it or using mundane (that ritual casting may not affect).

 

[FadedC]

Right these are pre-gen, all that means is that they persued that, for all we know "Ritual Casting" is a magical-option and there is a mundane option as well that simply wasn't pursued by the other characters.

Or perhaps all it means is that, Magic characters are better at casting rituals, but that wouldn't disallow others from using it or using mundane (that ritual casting may not affect).

The abilty is called use ritual. The text says that it allows you to use rituals. This strongly implies that people without the ability cannot use rituals.

Who knows about the ritual casting bit, seems unlikely to me but I guess time will tell. We did see the complete rogue entry and he had no mention of a ritual option.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

I still think though things like craft, perform, etc. Could work under the format of Rituals (maybe they won't be called Rituals) but the idea behind it can work for such missing-skills.

 

[PeterWeller]

Ritual isn't such a great term for farming or performing anyway. I really like the idea that those kinds of skills could work like rituals, though.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

So how would we refer to them as? Tasks? Activities? Deeds? *Shrugs shoulders*

We could also see a variety of items related to it, brushes, training swords, paper and pens, etc.

 

[Vempyre]

There has also never been any mention of a non magical ritual in all the talk of rituals (which of course doesn't prove their lack of existance, but combined with the wizard and cleric thing makes it very unlikely in my opinion).

That.

I also noted that WotC never talked about rituals in any other context other than a magical context. As an extension to the rules about magic.

 

[PeterWeller]

So how would we refer to them as? Tasks? Activities? Deeds? *Shrugs shoulders*

We could also see a variety of items related to it, brushes, training swords, paper and pens, etc.

Roll them into related groupings and call those Professions. Deciphering script, forging documents and producing literature could all be activities one could perform with the Scribe profession for example.

 

[Fallen Seraph]

Hmm... True say, and Performing can be a profession too.