Creating Scrolls with another caster

[Hypersmurf]

Something we have not talked about is this. If a clerics helps me create a scroll with clerical spell, is the resulting scroll arcane or clerical?

Er... see post 2 in the thread. I discussed that in the very first response to the original post

-Hyp.

 

[Peter Gibbons]

I am sure that we will never agree on this point but it has been fun seeing what other people think.

Well, I'm not really trying to convince you so much as make sure you don't misinform others who may read these boards about what the rules actually are. I think I've accomplished my goal, so...game on!

 

[Luis De Pippo]

Well, I'm not really trying to convince you so much as make sure you don't misinform others who may read these boards about what the rules actually are. I think I've accomplished my goal, so...game on!

Not really . I still think I am right, you still think you are right so people will choose whatever rule they feel is right.

I am not misinforming, I am just expressing my point of view on the rules. Unless we get an official ruling from WotC that is what they are opinions.

 

[irdeggman]

Something to keep in mind is that the DMG trumps all other sources when it comes to the handling of magic items (including creation). So any apparent (or perceived) conflicts with the feat text (in the PHB) and the descriptions of the process (in the DMG) go to the DMG as the authority.

 

[Infiniti2000]

If the cleric supplies the XP, it's a divine scroll (since XP is supplied by the character designated 'the creator', and it is the class of 'the creator' that determines divine or arcane). If it's the wizard, it's an arcane scroll of Cure Light Wounds - perfect for bards, useless for clerics without UMD.

I don't think you have sufficient evidence to say this. I know there's the sentence in the scroll section, "(The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)" but that's it. Since you say that the sentence "The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed ..." is overruled by the 'supplying a prerequisite rule', why wouldn't you be consistent and say the same thing here? I think it's the most logical and consistent ruling to say that the spellcaster decides the arcane or divine nature of the spell.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I don't think you have sufficient evidence to say this. I know there's the sentence in the scroll section, "(The type of scroll a character creates is also determined by his or her class.)" but that's it. Since you say that the sentence "The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed ..." is overruled by the 'supplying a prerequisite rule', why wouldn't you be consistent and say the same thing here? I think it's the most logical and consistent ruling to say that the spellcaster decides the arcane or divine nature of the spell.

And caster level?

-Hyp.

 

[Infiniti2000]

Sure, why not?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Sure, why not?

See, I woud think that if you're going for consistency with the prerequisites-can-be-supplied-by-someone-not-the-creator rule, you'd have to say that a scroll's arcane or divine nature is determined by the creator's class, or by the class of anyone cooperating in the item's creation, and the item's caster level is limited by the level of the creator, or the level of anyone cooperating in the item's creation.

Limiting it to the class and level of the person supplying the spell isn't consistent with anything!

-Hyp.