D&D Advertising & D&D Lite

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If you were going to expand the D&D market, attracting new gamers that haven't played RPGs or D&D before, how would you go about it?

Stealing an idea posted by another poster (I forget who you are, but it's a great idea!), I propose an advertising campaign that advertises D&D, specifically a D&D Lite version that acts as a lead in to D&D, but is also a complete game in itself. The question is:

1) How would you structure the advertising campaign? and
2) How would you structure D&D Lite?

The basic outline (again, credit to unknown ENWorlder), intended to be family-friendly and sell D&D Lite as a great family game that encourages the use of the imagination:

Advertising

A TV campaign (with tie-in print & radio ads) that is a series of live-action fantasy spots with an iconic D&D party. Each of the four (or five) spots centers on one character, and closes with a fade to a group sitting around a table, playing D&D (Lite), where the DM asks "What do you do now?". The series of spots together tells one story. Example:

#1: Lidda (& party) bypasses traps & locks to gain entrance to the underground complex ...
#2: Mialee (& party) battle kobold servants, putting them to sleep with her spells ...
#3: Jozan (& party) smites the undead creature that haunts the door to the lair beyond ...
#4: Tordek (& party) strikes the killing blow that brings down the dragon who lairs beyond the haunted door ...
#5: The party wins the dragon's hoard and saves the village.

How would you structure the ads? What iconics? What are teh "must see" images that sell D&D?

D&D Lite

The idea is to make the product an easy way to get into D&D, that steps people into roleplaying and full D&D, but is itself a self-contained game playable by the masses. Like the D&D Adventrue game, it has everything you need in one box, so it can be sold like a board game, but the rules are closer to D&D to make it an easier step to the full PHB. It has enough for lots of play by itself -- sort of like the original D&D boxed sets, which were a complete game by themselves, but encouraged crossover into the larger AD&D product line. (I haven't seen that the 3E D&D adventure game really fills this niche -- I don't see it on shelves everywhere -- and I think many complete novices are turned off by the intimidation factor of starting with the game ... dice, PHB, DMG, MM, etc. You want something a family could pick up and go play.)

I'm thinking some sort of boxed set that retails under $20, that has player & DM rulebooklets, dice, maybe a board/battlemat and either quality counters or plastic figures, a sample adventure booklet, a "quick play" guide, maybe iconic character cards (Spell cards? monster cards? magic item cards?), and an add for the full PHB. (I just described the D&D Adventure Game, didn't I?)

What rules would D&D Lite have?

- What races, classes?
- Maybe no feats, or just a fixed feat chain for fighters?
- Fixed skill lists by character class (no choice, all rogues have the same six skills, for example)?
- Level progression up to 20, but fixed progressions (no feat/skill/etc options)?
- Short spell lists?
- No AOO, grapple, etc in combat (simple move & attack/spell/action)?
- DM's book has a small number of monsters & magic items, plus "running the game" guide and "how to make you own dungeons"?
- Some simple fixed reward/treasure/XP system?

Discuss.
 

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Olgar Shiverstone said:
If you were going to expand the D&D market, attracting new gamers that haven't played RPGs or D&D before, how would you go about it?

That would depend a great deal on my budget, and on some detailed market research.

Specifically - there's reason to believe that TV ads would not be a reasonable choice, business-wise. They're terribly expensive to produce and present to the public, and if they don't drum up sales to match their cost, you're just throwing money away.
 

I would apologize for concieving of BoVD and Dragon 300 and recognize that most normal human beings would find the content of those to be offensive and repulsive. Stop printing 3E and bring back Basic D&D with an endless stream of adventures to support it.
 

Re: Re: D&D Advertising & D&D Lite

Umbran said:


That would depend a great deal on my budget, and on some detailed market research.

Specifically - there's reason to believe that TV ads would not be a reasonable choice, business-wise. They're terribly expensive to produce and present to the public, and if they don't drum up sales to match their cost, you're just throwing money away.

Case in point - the Magic commercials that were on a couple years ago. I don't think they really affected sales much (though I wouldn't know for sure) so they disappeared pretty quickly thereafter. I think WoTC would be hesitant to waste money on more commercials.
 

In my opinion, D&D Lite already exists in the form of the D&D Adventure Boxed Set they released at or around the same time as the 3e rules.
 

tieranwyl said:
I would apologize for concieving of BoVD and Dragon 300 and recognize that most normal human beings would find the content of those to be offensive and repulsive. Stop printing 3E and bring back Basic D&D with an endless stream of adventures to support it.


Oh jeesh. Why don't you let most normal human beings make up their minds on what they find offensive and repulsive? I'm a normal human being, and I found them to be neither, and I know several others who feel the same way.
 

tieranwyl said:
I would apologize for concieving of BoVD and Dragon 300...

Why? With all the talk generated about that issue (on here and all the other MsgBrds) and with the tie-in to the BoVD, and with the Mature rating, WotC probably sold more of that issue than normal. It was all a marketing ploy and it worked like a charm, even though once ya cracked the mature section, the contents weren't really that vile.
 

I'd LOVE to see such a product..been waiting and waiting ( I know, don't hold my breath)...

IMO..ya GOTTA run the commericals on Nickelodeon..get the kids interested..When my 3 year old watches some stuff on Nick (and hey I LOVE Spongebob) after he watches PBS Kids shows, there are a ton of game & toy commericals on in the afternoons...run the D&D commericals then..compared to some of the garbage they advertise, I could only think a really good D&D ad would get kids psyched to play...then they bug the crap out of their folks for it, and then voila come Xmas, B-day or whatever..kid's got a D&D game :D
 

diaglo said:
wasn't the wizard's name Morley or something similar in the original ads back in the late 70's/ early 80's?

Yep. I remember the ads ... vaguely. The shot that sticks in my mind is the one of the family sitting around the table, playing D&D with everyone's favorite module ... Keep on the Borderlands!

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Of course, with the cost of making good commercials, this would never actually happen, but with a good focus I think TV spots would reach an audience you could sell to (advertise on WB, UPN, Sci-Fi, Fox, during Buffy, etc ...).

Remember we're trying to reach new markets, not sell new stuff to the current one, or steal market share from other RPGs.
 

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