D&D digital licensing rights lawsuit settled

Well, this will end the speculation of Hasbro selling the D&D brand to anybody for the foreseeable future.

As long as that exclusive license to Atari persists, D&D cannot be effectively shopped to any party.

Whether or not the license is exclusive given the nature of the sale of Cyrptic remains unknown, but I would guess that there was a sub-license with consent of Hasbro as licensor which was resolved today.

Personally, I do not see this as an overall positive development from the perspective of being a fan of pnp D&D or of D&D on the computer or console. The exclusive Infogrames/Atari license has been a millstone around the neck of the D&D brand almost since its inception -- and certainly since 2005.

I guess there is nothing for it; for now, we sit back and await developments.
Maybe I read it incorrectly, but it didn't it say that Hasbro has the digital rights again? Atari just gets to keep the right to publish the Facebook game and Cryptic/Perfect World can keep working on the Neverwinter game.
 

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Maybe I read it incorrectly, but it didn't it say that Hasbro has the digital rights again? Atari just gets to keep the right to publish the Facebook game and Cryptic/Perfect World can keep working on the Neverwinter game.

O_o Gadzooks!

You're right! I misread it completely. Hasbro has all the digital rights to D&D back!

Commence the deathwatch and handwringing and prepare for Hasbro's imminent SALE OF the D&D brand and all of its IP!!

First up on The D&D Bachelor, the lovely Ms. Electronic Arts, purveyor of multiple sports franchise cash cows, soon to be new owner of PopCap and the proud Papa of BioWare.
 

I wonder if the "5th ed announcement" rumor wasn't actually related to this.

4e is way too recent to tank with news of a 5th ed. However a "new edition" of D&D games would be a good announcement for GenCon.

BTW: I would *KILL* for a copy of D&D Heroes that supported online co-op with voice chat on the PS3. I have an Xbox just for that game and can get a couple of guys over at my house with little notice for a few hours of Heroes.
 
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This is HUGE and opens the door for

a) D&D to make good video games with capable developers/publishers eg Bioware/EA (hello Dragon Age or KoTR)

a) Highly unlikely, Bioware developed the Dragon Age IP precisely to avoid to negociate any rights. This is not the market that once was and all the big developers have no need of D&D IP (With the possible exception of Obsidian).
 

Yar, with some games making more money than big-budget hollywood blockbusters, D&D is...small potatoes again. Still, a solid game could go a long way towards alleviating that.
 

I was not aware there was a dispute.

I was aware that Atari was making D&D-branded gobshite, so I guess it's good that they're not going to do that anymore after their currently-in-development piles get pushed out.

So, I guess, potentially good news going forward! Potentially better D&D games going forward! Or potentially not!

Huzzah for inconclusiveness!

The ouster of Atari from the D&D business won't guarantee quality games, other publishers can suck too. But this news is nothing but good, because Atari was bad for D&D and this opens up the possibility for something better.

Especially for DDI, as the just canceled rights limited what WotC could do with DDI. I pray Hasbro won't just turn around and sign off complete rights to another publisher.
 

a) Highly unlikely, Bioware developed the Dragon Age IP precisely to avoid to negociate any rights. This is not the market that once was and all the big developers have no need of D&D IP (With the possible exception of Obsidian).

Licensed games are still profitable and desirable. The D&D brand has been damaged and lessened over time . . . but Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights are still valuable franchises, as is the larger D&D brand. As another poster put, all it will take is a kick-ass game, and a publisher willing to bet they are the right ones to make it happen.
 

Commence the deathwatch and handwringing and prepare for Hasbro's imminent SALE OF the D&D brand and all of its IP!!


Hasbro selling off one of their IP's? I laughed heartily. That's the only thing Hasbro execs care about with respect to D&D. WotC is a blip on their financial radar, but Hasbro would rather sit on the IP for ten to twenty years and reboot it than to ever sell it off.

They will probably license D&D out to several game publishers at once in an attempt to make bank on a game franchise. No more exclusive licenses. That was a poor decision by an inexperienced company.
 

I don't think the rookie mistake was exclusive licensing so much as going to Infogrames (I refuse to call them "Atari" as they have nothing to do with the Atari I grew up with). Though the exclusivity did limit what they could do to correct the situation once it became clear what a charlie foxtrot going with Infogrames was going to be.
 

Hasbro selling off one of their IP's? I laughed heartily. That's the only thing Hasbro execs care about with respect to D&D. WotC is a blip on their financial radar, but Hasbro would rather sit on the IP for ten to twenty years and reboot it than to ever sell it off.

They will probably license D&D out to several game publishers at once in an attempt to make bank on a game franchise. No more exclusive licenses. That was a poor decision by an inexperienced company.

The exclusive license to Infogrammes SA was the sweetener to exit a market they did not understand, did not want to be in, and in which they were losing $100,000,000.00+ by participating in it. They HAD to get out and they did. D&D's massive exclusive license (along with Transformers, GI Joe and a few other titles) was the cost of that sale. They paid it (and Peter Adkinson walked from WotC management when they did it over his objection).

So I don't agree with this view. First off. Hasbro has sold IP in the past -- that's what got them into bed with Atari nee Infogrammes in the past. They had a LOT of IP that they sold in that deal (Master of Orion, Master of Magic, Rollercoaster Tycoon, X-Com, etc. The list was a who's who of computer games in the 80s and 90s -- and most of the top strategy games ever made at that time, too.)

Secondly, there is a reason that Hasbro was content to sell those IPs. No only was Hasbro Interactive costing them money, but by selling the IP, they exited the business forever.

Mostly, Hasbro is in the business of making and selling Girls and Boys toys. Toys are always perceived to be competing products, no matter the "toy" in question. So when you sell the rights to a toy line, a few Xmas's later -- you are notionally competing against that product in the marketplace. The same applies to boardgames, too.

Heroscape is a toy/boardgame. That they would not sell. But D&D? Different story.

With D&D (and the rest of their RPG IP), were they to sell it, they would view it as exiting the business. They would not see that IP as coming back to compete against their other Boys toys in some future Xmas to come.

So unlike you, I don't have much doubt that Hasbro would sell that IP for the right price and happily exit the business. Moreoever, if there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, after 11 years, WotC reasonably thinks that they would have hit it already. They missed the boat to MMO Moneybagsville and that boat does not appear to be departing again, for anybody. (SW:TOR might prove to be the exception to this. We'll see.)

As for the IP in the underlying D&D rules, that value has essentially been given away in the OGL before they bought the company, as Paizo has recently proved (much to WotC's chagrin). It is also clear that they don't put a whole lot of stock in the value of the fictional worlds and characters in the D&D universe, either, in terms of publishing or movies/TV.

What's valuable is the brand name itself and the idea of the game. Given the direction the computer game market is going and the problem of free to play games, revenue models for Triple A computer game franchises are quite difficult to see into the future. That applies to both consoles as well as PC.

So laugh if you want. I believe for the right price, Hasbro WILL sell the entire thing, down to the bare hooks and wires of Metamorphosis Alpha and the proofs of The Strategic Review. RPGs are not their core business and they've done as much with D&D as they are ever likely to do. If they can make more money selling it then they believe they will make by keeping it -- they'll sell it in a heartbeat because they won't see it as setting up a competitor to compete with their own core business in future years.
 
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