D&D Historian Benn Riggs On Gary Gygax & Sexism

D&D historian Ben Riggs delved into the facts.

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The recent book The Making of Original Dungeons & Dragons 1970-1977 talks about the early years of D&D. In the book, authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro talk about the way the game, and its writers, approached certain issues. Not surprisingly, this revelation received aggressive "pushback" on social media because, well, that sort of thing does--in fact, one designer who worked with Gygax at the time labelled it "slanderous".

D&D historian Ben Riggs--author of Slaying the Dragon--delved into the facts. Note that the below was posted on Twitter, in that format, not as an article.

D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy.

The internet has been rending its clothes and gnashing its teeth over the introduction to an instant classic of TTRPG history, The Making of Original D&D 1970-1977. Published by Wizards of the Coast, it details the earliest days of D&D’s creation using amazing primary source materials.

Why then has the response been outrage from various corners of the internet? Well authors Jon Peterson and Jason Tondro mention that early D&D made light of slavery, disparaged women, and gave Hindu deities hit points. They also repeated Wizard’s disclaimer for legacy content which states:"These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."

In response to this, an army of grognards swarmed social media to bite their shields and bellow. Early D&D author Rob Kuntz described Peterson and Tondro’s work as “slanderous.” On his Castle Oldskull blog, Kent David Kelly called it “disparagement.” These critics are accusing Peterson and Tondro of dishonesty. Lying, not to put too fine a point on it.So, are they lying? Are they making stuff up about Gary Gygax and early D&D?

Well, let's look at a specific example of what Peterson and Tondro describe as “misogyny “ from 1975's Greyhawk. Greyhawk was the first supplement ever produced for D&D. Written by Gary Gygax and Rob Kuntz, the same Rob Kuntz who claimed slander above, it was a crucial text in the history of the game. For example, it debuted the thief character class. It also gave the game new dragons, among them the King of Lawful Dragons and the Queen of Chaotic Dragons. The male dragon is good, and female dragon is evil. (See Appendix 1 below for more.)

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It is a repetition of the old trope that male power is inherently good, and female power is inherently evil. (Consider the connotations of the words witch and wizard, with witches being evil by definition, for another example.)

Now so-called defenders of Gygax and Kuntz will say that my reading of the above text makes me a fool who wouldn’t know dragon’s breath from a virtue signal. I am ruining D&D with my woke wokeness. Gygax and Kuntz were just building a fun game, and decades later, Peterson and Tondro come along to crap on their work by screeching about misogyny.

(I would also point out that as we are all white men of a certain age talking about misogyny, the worst we can expect is to be flamed online. Women often doing the same thing get rape or death threats.)

Critics of their work would say that Peterson and Tondro are reading politics into D&D. Except that when we return to the Greyhawk text, we see that it was actually Gygax and Kuntz who put “politics” into D&D.

The text itself comments on the fact that the lawful dragon is male, and the chaotic one is female. Gygax and Kuntz wrote: “Women’s lib may make whatever they wish from the foregoing.”


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The intent is clear. The female is a realm of chaos and evil, so of course they made their chaotic evil dragon a queen.

Yes, Gygax and Kuntz are making a game, but it is a game whose co-creator explicitly wrote into the rules that feminine power—perhaps even female equality—is by nature evil. There is little room for any other interpretation.

The so-called defenders of Gygax may now say that he was a man of his time, he didn’t know better, or some such. If only someone had told him women were people too in 1975! Well, Gygax was criticized for this fact of D&D at the time. And he left us his response.

Writing in EUROPA, a European fanzine, Gygax said:“I have been accused of being a nasty old sexist-male-Chauvinist-pig, for the wording in D&D isn’t what it should be. There should be more emphasis on the female role, more non-gendered names, and so forth."

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"I thought perhaps these folks were right and considered adding women in the ‘Raping and Pillaging[’] section, in the ‘Whores and Tavern Wenches’ chapter, the special magical part dealing with ‘Hags and Crones’...and thought perhaps of adding an appendix on ‘Medieval Harems, Slave Girls, and Going Viking’. Damn right I am sexist. It doesn’t matter to me if women get paid as much as men, get jobs traditionally male, and shower in the men’s locker room."

"They can jolly well stay away from wargaming in droves for all I care. I’ve seen many a good wargame and wargamer spoiled thanks to the fair sex. I’ll detail that if anyone wishes.”


So just to summarize here, Gygax wrote misogyny into the D&D rules. When this was raised with him as an issue at the time, his response was to offer to put rules on rape and sex slavery into D&D.

The outrage online directed at Peterson and Tondro is not only entirely misplaced and disproportional, and perhaps even dishonest in certain cases...

Part 2: D&D Co-Creator Gary Gygax was Sexist. Talking About it is Key to Preserving his Legacy....it is also directly harming the legacies of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz and the entire first generation of genius game designers our online army of outraged grognards purport to defend.

How? Let me show you.The D&D player base is getting more diverse in every measurable way, including age, gender, sexual orientation, and race. To cite a few statistics, 81% of D&D players are Millenials or Gen Z, and 39% are women. This diversity is incredible, and not because the diversity is some blessed goal unto itself. Rather, the increasing diversity of D&D proves the vigor of the TTRPG medium. Like Japanese rap music or Soviet science fiction, the transportation of a medium across cultures, nations, and genders proves that it is an important method for exploring the human condition. And while TTRPGs are a game, they are also clearly an important method for exploring the human condition. The fact the TTRPG fanbase is no longer solely middle-aged Midwestern cis men of middle European descent...

...the fact that non-binary blerds and Indigenous trans women and fat Polish-American geeks like me and people from every bed of the human vegetable garden ...

find meaning in a game created by two white guys from the Midwest is proof that Gygax and Arneson were geniuses who heaved human civilization forward, even if only by a few feet.

So, as a community, how do we deal with the ugly prejudices of our hobby’s co-creator who also baked them into the game we love? We could pretend there is no problem at all, and say that anyone who mentions the problem is a liar. There is no misogyny to see. There is no **** and there is no stink, and anyone who says there is naughty word on your sneakers is lying and is just trying to embarrass you.

I wonder how that will go? Will all these new D&D fans decide that maybe D&D isn’t for them? They know the stink of misogyny, just like they know **** when they smell it. To say it isn’t there is an insult to their intelligence. If they left the hobby over this, it would leave our community smaller, poorer, and suggest that the great work of Gygax, Arneson, Kuntz, and the other early luminaries on D&D was perhaps not so great after all…

We could take the route of Disney and Song of the South. Wizards could remove all the PDFs of early D&D from DriveThruRPG. They could refuse to ever reprint this material again. Hide it. Bury it. Erase it all with copyright law and lawyers. Yet no matter how deeply you bury the past, it always tends to come back up to the surface again. Heck, there are whole podcast series about that. And what will all these new D&D fans think when they realize that a corporation tried to hide its own mistakes from them?

Again, maybe they decide D&D isn’t the game for them. Or maybe when someone tells you there is **** on your shoe, you say thanks, clean it off, and move on.

We honor the old books, but when they tell a reader they are a lesser human being, we should acknowledge that is not the D&D of 2024. Something like...

“Hey reader, we see you in all your wondrous multiplicity of possibility, and if we were publishing this today, it wouldn’t contain messages and themes telling some of you that you are less than others. So we just want to warn you. That stuff’s in there.”

Y’know, something like that legacy content warning they put on all those old PDFs on DriveThruRPG. And when we see something bigoted in old D&D, we talk about it. It lets the new, broad, and deep tribe of D&D know that we do not want bigotry in D&D today. Talking about it welcomes the entire human family into the hobby.To do anything less is to damn D&D to darkness. It hobbles its growth, gates its community, denies the world the joy of the game, and denies its creators their due. D&D’s creators were visionary game designers. They were also people, and people are kinda ****** up. So a necessary step in making D&D the sort of cultural pillar that it deserves to be is to name its bigotries and prejudices when you see them. Failure to do so hurts the game by shrinking our community and therefore shrinking the legacy of its creators.

Appendix 1: Yeah, I know Chaos isn’t the same as Evil in OD&D.

But I would also point out as nerdily as possible that on pg. 9 of Book 1 of OD&D, under “Character Alignment, Including Various Monsters and Creatures,” Evil High Priests are included under the “Chaos” heading, along with the undead. So I would put to you that Gygax did see a relationship between Evil and Chaos at the time.

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Danny Masterton
Is in prison for crimes. Not "Canceled". Crimes.
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Off the top of my head.
Either still getting work or they're in prison for CRIMES. Not "Canceled"
It's also what's depicted in thise comedies has changed. There's no modern revenge of the nerds equivalent.
Sausage Party involves a food-based orgy.

Your Highness includes masturbation, child molestation played for laughs, endless sex jokes, women wearing nothing but white body paint, peeping toms, and cutting the dingus off a minotaur to wear around your neck as a trophy and occasionally fondle while centering around the idea, with many jokes related to it, of a sex-centric prophecy in which the chosen one bangs a virgin under the full moon and gets to control a dragon.

... but sure. It's high brow in comparison to Revenge of the Nerds.
 

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I am straight up giving you the chance to clarify what you're trying to say.

But wildly misapplying a term from philosophy 101 is good too.

I've pointed it out. There's all sorts of legacy media that fails modern purity tests. Yet it was consumed and targeted at non chuds and it was successful enough to make a lot of money.

Most of us were probably there as ENworld swings older.

You've always had chuds in the back ground. The organized pushback against the 1960
s civil rights also started around 1975. And that's why you have the drifters now pushing there drivel.

All I'm saying is the times we're different. I'm not cherry picking certain people's opinions as one can also cherry pick the opposite views.

In the 60s Goldwater told them to kick rocks. By 1980 that changed

People here are thinking they're right. I'm saying people with Gary's views were a lot more common than what people here assume. I wasn't joking when I said even with those comments Gary would be father of the year material relative to my families 1970s experiences and several friends from the 80s and 90s.

And once again it's all through legacy media of the time that was targeted at normies cs chuds.
 

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Is in prison for crimes. Not "Canceled". Crimes.

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Either still getting work or they're in prison for CRIMES. Not "Canceled"

Sausage Party involves a food-based orgy.

Your Highness includes masturbation, child molestation played for laughs, endless sex jokes, women wearing nothing but white body paint, peeping toms, and cutting the dingus off a minotaur to wear around your neck as a trophy and occasionally fondle while centering around the idea, with many jokes related to it, of a sex-centric prophecy in which the chosen one bangs a virgin under the full moon and gets to control a dragon.

... but sure. It's high brow in comparison to Revenge of the Nerds.

And what's the box office on those movies? They're still getting work but it's not in big roles or big productions.

Biggest recent chud media movie was what 100 million iirc and that was the exception.
 

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And what's the box office on those movies? They're still getting work but it's not in big roles or big productions.

Biggest chud media movie was what 100 million iirc and that was the exception.
Box Office or Paycheck for the Actor?

'Cause first one doesn't -super- matter if the second one is about the same as it was.

And also this is just moving the goalposts. It went from "Ruined Career" to "Maybe they're not getting as -much- money and fame from their work as they did, before!"

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And what's the box office on those movies? They're still getting work but it's not in big roles or big productions.

Biggest recent chud media movie was what 100 million iirc and that was the exception.
Bro, you just said a convicted and jailed rapist who is doing 30 to life is "cancelled", what the hell are you talking about?
Strawman that's not what I'm saying and you know it.
It's very hard to work out what you're saying when you're claiming serial rapists who are in jail for 30+ years are "cancelled". Care to explain yourself?
 

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Box Office or Paycheck for the Actor?

'Cause first one doesn't -super- matter if the second one is about the same as it was.

And also this is just moving the goalposts. It went from "Ruined Career" to "Maybe they're not getting as -much- money and fame from their work as they did, before!"

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Box office.

And I'm not shifting the goal post. My arguement has always been about the scale of things not if it's right or wrong. I specifically said it's not about morality.

There's a market for it but it's not mainstream. Outside of America I think Sound of Freedom iirc made peanuts. Unlike say 80s movies.
 

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Bro, you just said a convicted and jailed rapist who is doing 30 to life is "cancelled", what the hell are you talking about?

It's very hard to work out what you're saying when you're claiming serial rapists who are in jail for 30+ years are "cancelled". Care to explain yourself?

More an example if how things have changed. What you coukd get away with 30 years ago can get you thrown in jail.

I was looking at it from a career ruined PoV and jail can do that.

I do remember allegations from the 90s where people essentially got away with it. Still happens of course but it's harder and everyone has recording devices in their pockets.
 

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