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jasper

Rotten DM
There’s also the other side of things that no one ever seems to take into account - the monsters.

So many monsters would radically change the world. Fire beetles are a renewable light source that cannot burn your house down.

Never minding flying mounts.

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jasper

Rotten DM
And more of the "mundane" beasts should have changed to make use of the magical nature of the world. In a world where there are 9+ ways for humanoids to learn magic, why don't more animals find ways to use magic? Magical animals are going to outcompete mundane animals because of how useful magic is, so why haven't magical beasts become the dominant animals of the world? Where are the mutated beasts that have sorcerous magic? Why haven't Awakened Beasts used their superior intelligence to outcompete mundane beasts? Or used their sapience to become spellcasters (Clerics, Druids, Rangers, Warlocks, and even Wizards)? Can songbirds get bardic magic from singing? ....
And in 2033 the evil druid mage Levistus was finally hunted down by the few remaining humans.
Levistus, " I only wanted Mr. Muder Fluff to read and use the can opener with his thumbs. I didn't mean to change the whole race." His sentence was to sewn into a huge cat nip bag.

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Okay in Icewind Dale with the Awaken Mammoth I did do the Mammoth mafia which would occasionally shake the adventurers down. But you bring up good pionts.
 

If you don't mind going into it, how do you develop your settings?
It's my experience that the players aren't particularly interested in settings*. Worldbuilding is largely something DMs do to amuse themselves; it has little effect on the point of contact between players and the DM.


*My players do like spectacle. For that reason, they like Eberron: flying ships! Floating cities! They aren't particularly interested in politics, how society functions, or ancient lore. You start talking about that stuff and they zone out and then say something like "okay, where do we have to go, and who do we have to kill?" I guess if you have players with a particular interest is politics, sociology, or history it might be different. The point where I have had players quizzing me for more background than I have prepared is with regards to criminal investigation: "can I ascertain the time of death? Have there been any similar murders? What were their dates and locations?"

To what extent do you tailor your world-building to the interests of your players?
 
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Hussar

Legend
It's my experience that the players aren't particularly interested in settings*. Worldbuilding is largely something DMs do to amuse themselves; it has little effect on the point of contact between players and the DM.


*My players do like spectacle. For that reason, they like Eberron: flying ships! Floating cities! They aren't particularly interested in politics, how society functions, or ancient lore. You start talking about that stuff and they zone out and then say something like "okay, where do we have to go, and who do we have to kill?" I guess if you have players with a particular interest is politics, sociology, or history it might be different. The point where I have had players quizzing me for more background than I have prepared is with regards to criminal investigation: "can I ascertain the time of death? Have there been any similar murders? What were their dates and locations?"

To what extent do you tailor your world-building to the interests of your players?
Yeah, I've largely come to that realization too. I tried to run Ghosts of Saltmarsh, so, I had a nice little primer for Keoland, only a few pages of history, plus a primer for the town of Saltmarsh itself. The players could not give the slightest foetid dingo's kidneys about it. They made characters that in no way touched on Greyhawk as a setting, had zero connection whatsoever to the town of Saltmarsh and didn't even bother to read the primer material.

After that point, I've just given up. Why bother? Why bother doing all this setting stuff and worry about it when the players could not possibly care less. Now, I just tell my players to tell me the setting details and I'll work those into the campaign. Outside of a couple of limitations due to the campaign I'm running, I am never going to do any world building again if I can possibly avoid it.
 


Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Yeah, I've largely come to that realization too. I tried to run Ghosts of Saltmarsh, so, I had a nice little primer for Keoland, only a few pages of history, plus a primer for the town of Saltmarsh itself. The players could not give the slightest foetid dingo's kidneys about it. They made characters that in no way touched on Greyhawk as a setting, had zero connection whatsoever to the town of Saltmarsh and didn't even bother to read the primer material.

After that point, I've just given up. Why bother? Why bother doing all this setting stuff and worry about it when the players could not possibly care less. Now, I just tell my players to tell me the setting details and I'll work those into the campaign. Outside of a couple of limitations due to the campaign I'm running, I am never going to do any world building again if I can possibly avoid it.
I do it because worldbuilding is the most fun part for me, and because my players want everyone to have fun, not just themselves, they indulge me and even appreciate the effort I put in.
 

MGibster

Legend
It's my experience that the players aren't particularly interested in settings*. Worldbuilding is largely something DMs do to amuse themselves; it has little effect on the point of contact between players and the DM.
That's largely been my experience as well. A few of my players are an execption, I have one that will devour setting material like crazy if it interests her, but for the most part, my players aren't going to dig too deeply into a setting they aren't already interested in. Whenever I get nostalgic about all the splat books available for various games during the 1990s, I realize how little a lot of that material made it into my games. They were fun to read though.
 

MGibster

Legend
I do it because worldbuilding is the most fun part for me, and because my players want everyone to have fun, not just themselves, they indulge me and even appreciate the effort I put in.
There are many positives to having a detailed setting. As a DM, a little detail can be good fodder for adventure ideas or help me add a touch of atmosphere to the game. While I favor a more utilitarian approach to world design, I certainly see the appeal of world building for the sake of world building.
 

It's my experience that the players aren't particularly interested in settings*. Worldbuilding is largely something DMs do to amuse themselves; it has little effect on the point of contact between players and the DM.

To what extent do you tailor your world-building to the interests of your players?
Completely- why else have a world? I strive to make the setting coherent, you're not going to find an arctic culture in the tropics. You might find culturally arctic merchants in a tropical port, however. Aspects are determined ahead of time; who lives where, Ophir has the gold, the Equon penninsula is reminescent of India, &c. But if someone has a real interest in Ioun stones and wants to find some, I know where they are. If someone is a third child of a noble, here's a list of possible parentage.
 



reelo

Hero
I tried to run Ghosts of Saltmarsh, so, I had a nice little primer for Keoland, only a few pages of history, plus a primer for the town of Saltmarsh itself. The players could not give the slightest foetid dingo's kidneys about it. They made characters that in no way touched on Greyhawk as a setting, had zero connection whatsoever to the town of Saltmarsh and didn't even bother to read the primer material.
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Outside of a couple of limitations due to the campaign I'm running, I am never going to do any world building again if I can possibly avoid it.

That sounds incredibly… sad.
I'd have told the players something along the lines of "if you cba to care about the setting, I cba to DM for you guys".
 


So, you dislike arbitrary removals from the "default" without reason? I can see that might ruffle a feather or two.
kind of...

I look at the setting WotC (or 3pp) put out the same way I do my homebrew ones... If I make a setting and say "no orcs" just to be different it is really a soft "no" because I don't have a reason...

3ish settings ago I made a setting where everyone was 'human' but you could use human, variant human, half orc, half elf or dragonborn for stats... but you were human with some '____' traits. there were once elves and dwarves and dragons but not any more. (there were technicly orcs really far away from the play zone too). I had reasons, and if someone came to me with a pitch for 'halfing' or 'arrakora' or any other race I could explain myself as to WHY those races can't work in this.

in my 2nd to last setting I had a 'don't be druids' and 2 players were like "Come on we just want to be druids now" (and I swear 1 was just to be difficult) but I explained (and this one is quick) druids are 'enemies' they are hunted like monsters. the general reaction would be a 'burn the witch' if someone found out you were one... and the very powerful lord of the land has knights out hunting druids... so you can play them only if every player at the table agrees to 'playing on hard mode'. that got them to calm down about it... and in my last campaign 1 of them got to play there warforged druid useing the keith baker variant of moon druid for warforged.


if you can point out a reason why you can't allow X that is cool (even if you can't quickly type the why here) but 'just cause' seems like bad world design.
 


if you can point out a reason why you can't allow X that is cool (even if you can't quickly type the why here) but 'just cause' seems like bad world design.
Okay, sounds reasonable.

Are you asking about this?
I strive to make the setting coherent, you're not going to find an arctic culture in the tropics.
To put more concrete labels on it. by way of example, you're not going to find Inuit culture in Sri Lanka. That would make no sense; they are a culture adapted to a completely different climate and their survival strategies would fail. If you are looking for them you need to go to the Yukon, a part of Nunangat. They exist, just way over there. That said, there could be some Inuit people who, through opportunity and circumstance, traveled to Sri Lanka and are making a home there. They won't be wearing traditional dress, caribou parkas being lethal in 100 degree heat, but probably wearing local dress with traditional accents. Depending how long they have been there, if you could come up with some traditional treat that they can't source in the tropics, that would give you an advantage in making friendships.

For another example, I don't have genasi in my campaign. However, players can play River Daughters (children of the local river goddess who made a pact with a ruler long ago), Children of the Pines (tied to the fae of the boreal forests, immune to winter's chill and blood like sap), or the Qasida Shamal (people bound to where the spirits of dry winds meet the sparkling seas).

Is this what you are looking for?
 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
i agree there is some amount of coherent sense that must be made, but just a flat 'no orcs' that has no why doesn't pass that to me
What about, "no elves", or, "no warforged", or, "no tieflings", or, "no drow", or, "no loxo"? Is it just orcs? Or does every world have to include everything unless their reasoning to do otherwise passes your personal muster?
 

What about, "no elves", or, "no warforged", or, "no tieflings", or, "no drow", or, "no loxo"? Is it just orcs? Or does every world have to include everything unless their reasoning to do otherwise passes your personal muster?
yes everything... but not all at once. If you have a reason to say no that's fine, but you have 3-6 players on average, even if everyone of them wants something you said no to (a sign you really need to go back to drawing board) that is 6ish races.
 

Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
yes everything... but not all at once. If you have a reason to say no that's fine, but you have 3-6 players on average, even if everyone of them wants something you said no to (a sign you really need to go back to drawing board) that is 6ish races.
I don't allow my players to dictate to me what game I run for them. I start with an idea, and I accept session 0 input and will compromise to an extent, but I'm still the DM. You don't just get to tell me what I'm going to run.
 

I don't allow my players to dictate to me what game I run for them. I start with an idea, and I accept session 0 input and will compromise to an extent, but I'm still the DM. You don't just get to tell me what I'm going to run.
I play/run with a table of DMs if one of us cant orwont give therest of usjust tell them to sit as a player awhile... since we have no lack of DMs as an option we are in the (I guess rare) situation where we all have equal say in what WE run
 

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