[D&Dg] Greater Deities - Natural 20 every time?

[Thraxus]

So what's the consensus? Greater Deities automatically get a result of 20 on any check, including attack rolls and saving throws. But is that result of 20 the equivalent of a "natural" 20? If so, doesn't that mean that Greater Deities always succeed at their saving throws and attack rolls? They would never miss and never fail a saving throw, even against a spell cast by a deity of higher rank.

Thoughts? Opinions? Official rulings?

 

[Orco42]

Yup they always get at nat 20 so they never miss an attack roll (and most of the time they get a crit).

A 20 on a save is not an auto pass by the core books or the errata. But it is in the FAQ. So it is really up to you.

 

[Crothian]

Deities might have stats, but it still doesn't mean they are easy to kill.

 

[Thraxus]

Seems rather pointless to even calculate a Greater Deity's BAB if they're always going to roll a natural 20 for their attack rolls. They're going to hit every time regardless of how high/low their BAB is.

Same goes for Saving Throws if you go with the rule in the FAQ.

 

[Thraxus]

Haiku by Thraxus

Deities are tough
Natural twenties each time
Why even bother?

~ Haiku by Thraxus

 

[Orco42]

If you try to fight a god you had better beat them in Initiative else you lose.

Thor hit with Mjolner(sp) take 300+ damage (what ever max is) and make a Fort DC 300+ or die.

or

Boccob cast Quickened Timestop, a Persistant Time Stop, all his other attack spells, the rememorizes and repeats.

 

[kreynolds]

So what's the consensus? Greater Deities automatically get a result of 20 on any check, including attack rolls and saving throws. But is that result of 20 the equivalent of a "natural" 20? If so, doesn't that mean that Greater Deities always succeed at their saving throws and attack rolls? They would never miss and never fail a saving throw, even against a spell cast by a deity of higher rank.

Thoughts? Opinions? Official rulings?

I was probably the biggest supporter that Gods always get a "Nat 20" on all attack rolls, thus they always hit. However, after a couple of weeks of rereading the passage in D&Dg, and checking out other message boards and various interpretations, it doesn't appear that they automatically hit.

Basically, Gods always add +20 to their attack rolls, but you still roll a d20 to see if they threaten a critical hit, and you roll yet again to try and confirm the critical hit. <Nod to everyone that I argued this with>

 

[Orco42]

Re: Re: [D&Dg] Greater Deities - Natural 20 every time?

Basically, Gods always add +20 to their attack rolls, but you still roll a d20 to see if they threaten a critical hit, and you roll yet again to try and confirm the critical hit. <Nod to everyone that I argued this with>

That sucks. But I have read it a few times and it looks (to me) like they get an auto 20. Oh well that is how I will play it.

 

[Thraxus]

Originally posted by Orco42
Thor hit with Mjolner(sp) take 300+ damage (what ever max is) and make a Fort DC 300+ or die.

I didn't mention it before, but I was thinking more along the lines of two Greater Deities duking it out. Even with a DC of 300, a Greater Deity will always make his Fort Save against the Annihilating Strike if he's allowed an automatic natural 20 on his saving throw (assuming you use the rules as printed in the D&D FAQ).

Originally posted by kreynolds
I was probably the biggest supporter that Gods always get a "Nat 20" on all attack rolls, thus they always hit. However, after a couple of weeks of rereading the passage in D&Dg, and checking out other message boards and various interpretations, it doesn't appear that they automatically hit.

Basically, Gods always add +20 to their attack rolls, but you still roll a d20 to see if they threaten a critical hit, and you roll yet again to try and confirm the critical hit. <Nod to everyone that I argued this with>

This was the interpretation I was looking for. If I were running a campaign that involved combat with Greater Deities, I'd be inclined to rule that they get an "automatic result of 20" on any check, but that it isn't a "natural 20" unless they actually roll the die and get a 20.

Then again, perhaps it would be best to allow Greater Deities the ability to shrug off most effects with Natural 20s on their Saving Throws. Would stop Moradin from going nuts and wiping out the entire D&D pantheon using Annihilating Strike, since at least his fellow Greater Deities would be able to resist its effects.

And yes, I realize Moradin wouldn't do that, but he could depending on how you interpret the rules, and that's the point.

Anyone else care to voice their agreement or disagreement?

 

[Orco42]

I didn't mention it before, but I was thinking more along the lines of two Greater Deities duking it out. Even with a DC of 300, a Greater Deity will always make his Fort Save against the Annihilating Strike if he's allowed an automatic natural 20 on his saving throw (assuming you use the rules as printed in the D&D FAQ).

Personally I don't use the FAQ's so a 20 on a save may fail.

So by my interpretation of the rules anything will die when Thor hits you.

If you rule a 20 passes either a greater god does not get an auto 20 they have a 95% chance of dying when ever Thor hits you, or they get an auto natural 20 and always make the roll.