d20 Star Wars Saga Edition news from Gen Con?

[Arrgh! Mark!]

Idea! (Bing!)

I think someone mentioned this already.

What if Jedi and other force users are prestige classes?

Instead of going strait into a Jedi, PC's have to work through other levels but take a whole heap of force skills and such.

Hence, we'll say Luke is a (now not awful) Scout class with all the force feats. He goes around and gets a meager few force things happening for him in the first movie. This shows why he isn't too bad at say piloting and fighting and such.

In the second movie he's a Scout 5 with all the force feats and skills. He's got a bit more going for him force AND fighting wise with lightsaber proficiency now.

Return of the Jedi, he's a Scout 5/Jedi 4 and only now can really control the force because of the fact the Jedi prestige really gets it going for him.



I think it'd be a great idea to reduce the classes to 3, allow anyone to take force feats from early levels (though it takes ages to get it really cranking.)

Classes - Soldier (Combat), Scout (Skill/Combat duo), Scoundrel/Noble (Skill).


Seems fair to me. People who don't want the force get a bunch of other feats to make them actually good with stuff before level 13 odd. Maybe Padawan learners are Jedi who haven't yet taken the Jedi prestige.

 

[Staffan]

Idea! (Bing!)

I think someone mentioned this already.

What if Jedi and other force users are prestige classes?

The problem with that is that during the Old Republic, Jedi were trained from a very young age, and thus don't have the previous careers a prestige class would imply. I mean, in Phantom Menace, Anakin was what, 10? And the Jedi Council wouldn't allow him to be trained since he was too old.

 

[RangerWickett]

Do you have a problem with 5th level 9-year-olds? Ageist.

 

[wingsandsword]

They said they were removing Force Adept not the Jedi classes, so it's unlikely to be that Jedi is a PrC.

Since apparently you can make any class a force user now, presumably the Jedi classes are more for Jedi-specific things that other force disciplines don't get, like the bonus damage with a lightsaber, and are there because the Jedi are the focus of force users in SW. It's also usually depicted that the Jedi (and traditions derived from them like the Sith and Jensaraii) are the "best" force users or at least those with the most highly refined abilities and talents, so the Jedi class will probaby get perks for force use that other classes won't get.

If this is true, it will be interesting to see if they go back to writing up Sith characters with Jedi levels, the OCR version of Palpatine was Noble 3/Jedi Consular 16 (before there were any force-user PrC's), and Vader was a Fringer 1/Jedi Guardian 15, and being a Sith wasn't a matter of a character class. Since the Sith were founded as a splinter faction of the Jedi, and they do use much the same basic techniques (as Qui Gon said in Episode I about Darth Maul "He was well trained in the Jedi arts"), using the same base class makes sense, but with the RCR they got in the habit of avoiding Jedi base classes for Sith.

 

[drothgery]

They said they were removing Force Adept not the Jedi classes, so it's unlikely to be that Jedi is a PrC.

They gave the whole list of base classes; IIRC, it's Jedi, Noble, Scout, Scoundrel, Soldier (I may be forgetting one, but the Guardian/Consular split is definitely gone, as are Force Adept, Tech Specialist, and Fringer).

 

[solkan_uk]

I thought they stated that jedi/Force Adepts were simply now using the other classes.
I.e. rather than a 'Jedi-Guardian' which seems like a made up term for a fighting jedi, you'd be a Soldier with the feats and abilities to also be a jedi.
Which seems much cleaner to me, as no two jedi seemed to share that many class features in the films.

 

[drothgery]

Apparently force users without levels in force-using classes isn't anywhere near as nerfed as it is current Star Wars d20, to the point that it's expected that non-Jedi force users will be built that way, but a Jedi base class (just one; no more Consulars and Guardians) exists.

http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=9847581&postcount=9

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Do you have a problem with 5th level 9-year-olds? Ageist.

It's not that different from ECL 5 9-year-olds.

Jedi as a PrC always made sense to me, at least in the context of Episode I-III. The Jedi are so extremely powerful that it seems logical that they need a few more levels than anyone else. The only alternative would be to make the Jedi classes and abilities overpowered, which isn't a real alternative for balanced game-play.

 

[ValhallaGH]

Jedi as a PrC always made sense to me, at least in the context of Episode I-III. The Jedi are so extremely powerful that it seems logical that they need a few more levels than anyone else. The only alternative would be to make the Jedi classes and abilities overpowered, which isn't a real alternative for balanced game-play.

I've been saying the same thing for years.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I've been saying the same thing for years.

Me too, but it needed repeating.