Dancey resigns as GAMA Treasurer

Nisarg said:
I hope the rest of the board can continue to work to promote this agenda, and that Ryan finds a suitable role to play, even if it must be behind the scenes.

The role he plays may be behind bars rather than behind the scenes.

Apparently, his actions may have been criminal in nature, at least according to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 (18 USC 2511)

Look it up and read it for yourself. I did after a post somebody made over on Gaming Report.
 
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Rasyr said:
The role he plays may be behind bars rather than behind the scenes.

Apparently, his actions may have been criminal in nature, at least according to the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986 (18 USC 2511)

Look it up and read it for yourself. I did after a post somebody made over on Gaming Report.

I'd judge that the likelihood of his going to jail is pretty slim.

And regardless, as I mentioned before, none of this changes the fact that Dancey's position on GAMA (and so many other things) was fundamentally right. It will continue to be so even if Ryan is gone.

Nisarg
 

Nisarg - just because you like Dancey does not mean that he was "fundamentally right". You most likely only saw what Dancey showed you in public, which is what the majority of people saw. There was a lot more going on than the public saw. A lot of people disagreed with his views on GAMA.

As for his position on GAMA, how you restating it for us, all these things that you think are "fundamentally right". Before you start claiming that they are above reproach, please list them out so that folks know what exactly you are referring to so that folks can agree with you on them, or refute them on a case by case basis.

For example, take Dancey's views on the Origins Awards. Everybody agreed that they needed revamping, however most disagreed with Dancey's stance which gave special treatment to products from the largest companies, or based awards for quality on sales numbers rather than the actual quality of products.

Can you list other examples of his "stance" on things pertaining to GAMA? Things that you think are "fundamentally right".
 

Nisarg said:
I'd judge that the likelihood of his going to jail is pretty slim.

And regardless, as I mentioned before, none of this changes the fact that Dancey's position on GAMA (and so many other things) was fundamentally right. It will continue to be so even if Ryan is gone.

Nisarg

What exactly to you know about GAMA? I look forward to a detailed critique that includes mention of their programs, operating expenses and, of course, how your opinion can be derived from this actual data.

I wonder about these things because to a certain extent, people are right that GAMA does not exactly have day to day impact on the lives of gamers. A fish has no use for a bicycle, but bicycles aren't built for fish.
 

Paradigm said:
There are current board members that were on the board last year. So the entire slate was not connected to him.

As noted, the slate is not the board. At this point, though, the only way to separate themselves from this unethical and quite possibly criminal situation (which, it apppears, was sat on for at least a month -- not a good idea) is to have new elections.

Naturally, if the slate can stand on their own merits, they'll get their jobs back.
 

Edit: political comment removed. Please avoid that subject, please. --Dinkeldog

It doesn't in ANY way change one fundamental truth: That Ryan, wrong or not about this email business, is still completely right about the problems GAMA had before, and regarding the solutions.

Again, I look forward to a concrete elaboration of this, assuming one will ever be forthcoming.

I hope the rest of the board can continue to work to promote this agenda, and that Ryan finds a suitable role to play, even if it must be behind the scenes.

Companies don't like working with cheats and possible felony suspects who've committed an unethical act directly related to their industry. Funny thing about that.
 
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As a general note, it occurs to me that people's opinions about GAMA bear a direct relationship to their position vis a vis the industry.

The average gamer only feels the effects of the body directly when she hits Origins, thnough indirectly, the GTS and Origins affect what games get to consumer outlets.

Very small publishing outfits are practically in the same boat, as are freelancers. When you get small or independent enough, the distribution and sales system don't matter as much. Of course, companies that aren't GAMA memnbers who attend the GTS and Origins are benefitting from the organization. This kind of "freeloading," probably requires folks who do it to reexamine their own positions.

Finally, there are large companies who can get a place with distributors and the book trade.

If you are a healthy, but not huge company, GAMA mattters a bit more. The GTS gets you into hobby shops and the scale of the industry makes Origins sales important. Since you're paying the wages of multiple people and don't have access to the book trade, this is a big deal.

The Origins Awards seems to create confusion over GAMA's focus, because in contrast to its work aas a trade body, here we have something intended to focus on creatives and communicate with fans.

The trouble is, perhaps, that GAMA has two different missions directed toward the industry and the public, respectively. Obviously GAMA's mission vis a vis public awareness needs to change, but Origins and the GTS were, by most accounts, successful. I'm sure that even the non-members who freeloaded off of these occasions made money.
 

Nisarg said:
That's really the worst thing about what he did, that it is inevitably bound to be confused with the rightness or wrongness of the ideas he supports. And the enemies of those ideas will now be able to use his own pecadillo as a weapon against progress.

Well, that's always the question. Is it enough that someone "made the trains run on time"?
 

Ok. I have to take a moment and go on anti-Dancy rant.

{rant on}

Has Dancy ever done anything good for D&D?
He was part of the WotC group that sold out to Hasborg. Which of course led to WotC laying off or forcing out most, if not all, of their best writers.
He was part of the group that completly screwed the pooch on the whole E/Mastertools thing. I seem to remember him saying something about weekly updates followed by about a year of complete silence.
I'm pretty sure that he pretty much bailed on the whole Open Gaming Foundation thing. Unless I'm mistaken the SRD has not been updated in over a year.
Didn't he also formulate a take over the RPGA?
Not that anyone outside the Northwest knows or cares but wasn't Dancy the one that told Norwestcon to get stuffed and started a con the weekend before to draw off Norwestcon members?
Now, he hacks in to private mailing list.

He'll promise the moon and the stars but never delivers on anything.

The guy is an Epic level jackass.

{rant off}
 

Look, I'm no Ryan Dancey fan. Frankly, I think almost everything he has done since leaving WOTC has been counter-productive. However, Dancey did work hard to create the OGL and d20 license and fought an upstream battle to get them out. Without him the d20 market and the hobby would look very different. He deserves credit for that at least.

His latest escapade is so bizarre, I thought I was listening to Art Bell on GAMA conspiracies or something.
 
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