Day of Discovery (Problem child)

Humans get 4 bonus skill points at first level and 1 bonus point per level thereafter. However, the bonus points are added in (PHB p13), not multiplied, so his first level points are 4+((8+2)*4). That still works out at 44 but I'm just being pedantic because you did ask for feedback.

But honestly, I don't know how you and your group tolerate this player. I'm increasingly convinced that -- with the best will in the world -- I couldn't.
 

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He argued that the Bow and the ray spells use the same to-hit, so the Specialization in Rays should apply to the bow.

Those who make no rational argument deserve no rational response.
 

It's getting harder by the minute, Ranes. He's claiming that HeroForge gave him the wrong total, and challenges the others at the table to fire it up and put his stats in.

I did, it said that they cost 33 points.

He's still complaining that his last character can't leave a "Last Will and Testimony" (his phrasing, not mine). I pointed out that his character didn't leave any such Will, at least not while she was alive.

If someone wants to leave a Will, we'd probably honor it, even if they left gear to a "brother". As long as the new PC, be they brother or not, came in at an appropriate wealth level we wouldn't care. How they got the wealth is just back story.

When his Cleric converted from Taiia to the Egyptian pantheon, the player said his "toon" had no real memories of anything before that moment. She had a general id3ea that we were friends, but that was it. Once she died, however, she suddenly remembered a brother.

What he wanted was to bring in an 8th level PC (with 26k or so, by the book), give them the additional wealth of a 10th level character (49k or so, by the book), plus the ridiculous pile of loot he'd given to that 10th level PC (another 28k or so). So why would we object to a power gamer bringing in a PC with approximately four times more goodies than anyone else could have?

Also, the way we handle treasure items: Loot is appraised and priced based on resale value (usually 1/2 book price). That total is then divided among the group, and PCs can select from the pile up to whatever their share is. They can take cash as soon as we sell anything not selected, or they can add cash to buy more things, if what they want is more than a normal share.

What all that means is that the 26K or so of extras Problem Child had piled on each of us had an actual market value closer to 50k. (There was some cash.)

Most of us took a majority as cash, but his character took almost all of it as gear. (DM's character gets loot equal to a party share.) So his new character would have been closer to five times the wealth level, from the book.

And he's still mad that we won't let that happen.

It's this exact situation that prompted us to draft that rule in the first place. To keep power gamers like him from abusing the system.
 

He's claiming that HeroForge gave him the wrong total, and challenges the others at the table to fire it up and put his stats in.

I did, it said that they cost 33 points.

To me, and I confess to being both cynical and naturally suspicious, that sounds like a typical bluff. "Yeah, you can check if you like," hoping no one will. Good for you for checking. But it has a whiff of mendacity about it.

He's still complaining that his last character can't leave a "Last Will and Testimony" (his phrasing, not mine). I pointed out that his character didn't leave any such Will, at least not while she was alive.

If someone wants to leave a Will, we'd probably honor it, even if they left gear to a "brother". As long as the new PC, be they brother or not, came in at an appropriate wealth level we wouldn't care. How they got the wealth is just back story.

You know, I can't remember ever being in a group with this problem but I'm tempted to amend my single-page of house rules with the following:

When a player replaces one PC with another for any reason, the replacement PC may not be a relation of the PC being replaced.

I don't really want to but I am tempted, just in case.

When his Cleric converted from Taiia to the Egyptian pantheon, the player said his "toon" had no real memories of anything before that moment. She had a general id3ea that we were friends, but that was it. Once she died, however, she suddenly remembered a brother.

There you have it. "Toon." Our vocabulary gives away so much about us. He's not interested in roleplaying a character. You can't roleplay a toon (except in a Steve Jackson game, okay). He's thinking of winning the game with his toon.

What he wanted was to bring in an 8th level PC (with 26k or so, by the book), give them the additional wealth of a 10th level character (49k or so, by the book), plus the ridiculous pile of loot he'd given to that 10th level PC (another 28k or so). So why would we object to a power gamer bringing in a PC with approximately four times more goodies than anyone else could have?

The needle on my sociopath-o-meter just wiggled a bit.

Also, the way we handle treasure items: Loot is appraised and priced based on resale value (usually 1/2 book price). That total is then divided among the group, and PCs can select from the pile up to whatever their share is. They can take cash as soon as we sell anything not selected, or they can add cash to buy more things, if what they want is more than a normal share.

What all that means is that the 26K or so of extras Problem Child had piled on each of us had an actual market value closer to 50k. (There was some cash.)

Most of us took a majority as cash, but his character took almost all of it as gear. (DM's character gets loot equal to a party share.) So his new character would have been closer to five times the wealth level, from the book.

There are two possibilities. He either sees the problem and doesn't care or he doesn't see the problem at all. Either way, I can't see this ending well.

And he's still mad that we won't let that happen.

Of course, because once he's got all that gear, he can get on with the business of applying his system mastery visiting his personal demons on everyone else's game.

It's this exact situation that prompted us to draft that rule in the first place. To keep power gamers like him from abusing the system.

He gives power gamers a bad name. And, alas, nothing will stop him from abusing the system. He's clearly pathological in that respect.

Sorry.
 
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Funny, Ranes. I'm a "functional" sociopath. I have a very hard time making emotional connections to anyone. My default process in social situations has become, "What would a nice guy do here?"

It's one of the reasons that I have a hard time knowing when to stop being a nice guy.

I don't think he's a sociopath. He's just stupid.
 

I like heroforge. It's a great tool. But that's just it. It's a tool. The understanding at my table has always been "Double check what Heroforge gives you!".

His use of Toon sounds to me that he's coming from an MMO background. He's playing to win. Like in a MMO.
 

It's getting harder by the minute, Ranes. He's claiming that HeroForge gave him the wrong total, and challenges the others at the table to fire it up and put his stats in.

Tell him that if HeroForge can't be trusted, he'd best not use it again. Tell him it's his responsibility (not HeroForge's) to bring a rules-legal character to the game. Tell him that since this character is not rules-legal, the entire character is invalid.

And then ask him if he wants to bring in another, all-new, character to the game.

(Oh, yes, and now have your PCs honour the dead one's Will - and give all her gear to the now-invalid 'brother' who disappears off into the sunset. And that's that problem solved.)
 

Either that, or get together with the more reasonable members of your group, re-write his character to be rules-legal, and then present him with that character and an ultimatum: play this one or don't play.
 

He presented a new character sheet.

Still listing Bow with the Ray descriptor, still has more skills and languages than he can account for, still can't get weapon damage right. His Familiar has almost as many hit points as he does, and he's still listing his Shield spell as an item.

He's addressed the problem of having magic items described one way in the equipment area and another on the main page by eliminating them from the equipment area. Still listing ...


Well, you get the idea.

I'm done. If his next version isn't legal I'm not going to spend an hour detailing his mistakes for him, I just won't let it into the game when I DM.
 

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