D&D 5E (2014) Dispel Evil and Good cleric spell 5th level in use

[ECMO3]

Absolutely. It’s a question of Natural Justice. Hostile spells should get saves or attack rolls in all but the most unusual cases. Basic principle!

Why should a touch spell with a save automatically hit, but a touch spell without anything mentioned need an attack roll to hit?

 

[ECMO3]

You're kidding, right? You're arguing that touch is a ranged attack?

No actually according to the 5E rules on spells "touch" is a range, just like "XX feet" or "self". It is not a mechanic, an attack or anything. It is specifically the range for a spell as noted in the description above.

It is not an attack at all. I am the one arguing the opposite.

Also when it comes to spells "ranged attack" vs "melee attack" are specified in the spell's description and have nothing to do with the range of the spell or the caster's reach.

Good God almighty.

You said, "When I cast a spell, either I can automatically touch someone who does not want to be touched or I can't automatically touch someone who does not want to be touched."

That is clearly untrue because of the designers.

It is not "clearly" untrue. Nowhere do the designers state, nor suggest that I can't automatically touch someone I target with a spell, and clearly I can touch people with some touch spells and effect them even when they are harmful and even when they get a save.

You will need to talk to them if you want the all or nothing consistency of your statement there.

There is nothing inconsistent about it. Nowhere does it say I can't automatically touch someone with a touch spell.

Dispel Magic does nothing to the target. Like at all. It only affects spells.

Right, it can be cast on an enemy under the effect of a spell who does not want it cast on him and it is canceled. He gets no save, you don't have to make any attack roll .... kind of like we are talking about with Dispel Good and Evil.

 

[Maxperson]

No actually according to the 5E rules on spells "touch" is a range, just like "XX feet" or "self". It is not a mechanic, an attack or anything. It is specifically the range for a spell as noted in the description above.

It is not an attack at all. I am the one arguing the opposite.

Also when it comes to spells "ranged attack" vs "melee attack" are specified in the spell's description and have nothing to do with the range of the spell or the caster's reach.



It is not "clearly" untrue. Nowhere do the designers state, nor suggest that I can't automatically touch someone I target with a spell, and clearly I can touch people with some touch spells and effect them even when they are harmful and even when they get a save.

You do realize that "doesn't state" =/= "can do." You cannot do anything the rules don't state unless the DM okays it via a ruling. The don't state that you can automatically touch someone you target with a spell, so you can't unless the DM says you can.

Right, it can be cast on an enemy under the effect of a spell who does not want it cast on him and it is canceled. He gets no save, you don't have to make any attack roll .... kind of like we are talking about with Dispel Good and Evil.

It cannot be cast on the enemy. It can only be cast on the spells around the enemy you target.

 

[Stalker0]

You cannot do anything the rules don't state unless the DM okays it via a ruling. The don't state that you can automatically touch someone you target with a spell, so you can't unless the DM says you can.

Very true....but of course, the rules also don't state that dispel evil and good requires a save or an attack roll. And so....the spell doesn't require that unless the DM says so.