D&D 4E DDXP 4E Rules Appendix

[breschau]

So we have learned several new things from this document:

1) There is still a surprise round.

2) Forced movement does NOT provoke opportunity attacks.

3) It mentions under action points that they are "most commonly" used to grant extra actions. That indicates there may be some additional things you can do with them.

4) The heal skill can apparently grant saving throws. Its possible you might be able to use heal to pull a man out from stunned, etc.

5) There is a direct order to actions. Ongoing damage occurs before regeneration. An extra action from your action point comes AFTER your regular actions (important if you have that feat that gives you +3 to attack rolls on action point actions).

6) 0 hp means you're dying. Negative bloodied means you're dead. (We knew the three failed saves after 0 hp meant death.

7) Quickie skills descriptions.

8) 1st-3rd level skill checks are DC15 for easy, DC20 for moderate, DC25 for hard.

9) Complete skills list.

 

[GnomeWorks]

9) Complete skills list.

That might not be a safe assumption?

 

[Plane Sailing]

So this clarifies that there is no condition of being "stable but below 0hp" then?

Like in 3e if you roll your 10% and you are on -7 you remain at -7 but you are stable and don't die any more.

But in 4e, unless you roll the 20 to recover back up to 1/4hp immediately, making a 10-19 on your dying save just means 'not dead yet', and there is no other way to stabilise?

I've not quite grasped it yet, but it seems to me that there will be a lot more dead characters around than I'm used to seeing, one way or another!

Cheers

 

[GnomeWorks]

But in 4e, unless you roll the 20 to recover back up to 1/4hp immediately, making a 10-19 on your dying save just means 'not dead yet', and there is no other way to stabilise?

That seems to be the case.

 

[keterys]

If you've already used second wind, 20 doesn't help you.

And a Heal check would stabilize you, but not bring you back up (cause it uses second wind as well)

 

[Saishu_Heiki]

The benefit is that there is no "healed but still negative" situation. If I am at -7 and someone hits me with a Cure Minor Wounds, I am at 1... not -6.

More efficient healing, but that healing (or use of the heal skill) is required because the dying has only a 5% chance to recover independently.

 

[Plane Sailing]

The benefit is that there is no "healed but still negative" situation. If I am at -7 and someone hits me with a Cure Minor Wounds, I am at 1... not -6.

I'm not seeing that as a benefit!

You can't have someone who is severely injured and has to be carried out of there - if he has used up all his healing surges he is mathematically extremely unlikely to last the five minutes for a short rest!

 

[Saishu_Heiki]

I never said it was a good benefit.

My question is whether the death save is a true saving throw. If so, then loading up on skills and feats to improve your saving throws become very important. If not, then character death is a very real (and possibly frequent) concern.

 

[RandomCitizenX]

I'm not seeing that as a benefit!

You can't have someone who is severely injured and has to be carried out of there - if he has used up all his healing surges he is mathematically extremely unlikely to last the five minutes for a short rest!

I think that is what Heal check to stabilize a dying character it for

 

[Campbell]

Interesting. Immediate actions are no longer linked to swift minor actions. You get one immediate action per round and it cannot be used on your turn. I guess this means that a young black dragon who is brought to bloodied by an opportunity attack that occurs on his turn cannot use his breath weapon. I'm not sure how I feel about this. 4e will definitely require some amount of relearning.